Bill Cartwright was and allstar player in the early 80's without Michael jordan on his team.
Scottie Pippen was an allstar player after Jordan retired(he actually had his best season when MJ was gone)
BJ Armstrong was an allstar player without Michael Jordan on his team(had his best season also without Jordan)
Horace Grant was an allstar without Michael Jordan on his team(he also had his best season without MJ, he also beat Jordan in the playoffs and went to the finals)
Dennis Rodman was an allstar without playing with Michael jordan..in fact Rodman won 2 Titles without Jordan..(beating the Bulls both years)............People say "Jordan made his teamates better"...But , it took him 7 years before the Bulls could win...in fact without these allstar players Jordan never had a winning season!......That's 5 allstar caliber players Jordan played with!!!.put any superstar with 3 - 4 other allstar calliber players and there gonna win....should'nt people be really saying .........
2007-11-07
12:10:38
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Pippen, Armstrong ,Grant , Rodman ,etc....made Jordan better?...
becuz without these players..he would have been quite possibly a "baldheaded Dominique wilkins"....
( I mean ...jeez....he had 3 allstar players on his team at any given time!..of course he's gonna win)
2007-11-07
12:13:35 ·
update #1
The defense focused on Jordan so they forgot about Jordan?....???????...how's that?
2007-11-07
12:14:30 ·
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Nadine - he inspired them?...when he was'nt even there he inspired them?.....they make it to the Pro's and all of a sudden the need inspiration?...hmmmmmm...
2007-11-07
12:16:13 ·
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Bush - I don't make Yahoo answers better! I most likely drag it down to lower level.....hey! no one's perfect!..(shrugs)
2007-11-07
12:18:40 ·
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Hold up!......the first answerer...serious?.....(yes I'm laughing out loud!)....that's crazy!.....I could laugh at that all day!......(shaking head)
2007-11-07
12:24:22 ·
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Celtic fan since KG came over - who's talkin about Kobe?
2007-11-07
12:25:18 ·
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d wade? - your right the game has to do alot with Mental toughness!.....your probably to young to remember but Scottie pippen was a towel boy in college! he never had a scholarship!!!!..he walked on as a towel boy freshmen!!...and made something outta himself!!!...Bill cartwright grew up on the mean streets of Stockton CA...and he got out!.......Michael jordan had great teamates!!...that's why he won!....
"jordan won 6 championships, don't say oh well he had a really good team. i think that championships are earned" - YOU........NO...the BULLS won 6 championships!..not jordan!.....a Team earns the Ring!..nothing else matters!.....don't be a sheep!
2007-11-07
12:40:05 ·
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buttdini - Jordan was the hardest working player?...huh?......why?..becuase ESPN/Nike said so?...Bill Russell , Bird , West , Magic , Big O ...Big O once averaged a TRIPLE DOUBLE for a Season!!!!!!!...don't tell me these players did'nt work as hard as Jordan!...
Jordan was out gambling during the Finals!!!.....
2007-11-07
12:48:37 ·
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Jordan only won 3 Rings and lost his "love for the game"....Russell won 8 in a row and never lost his "love for the game"..Magic won 5 , Kareem 6 titles and they never lost thier "love for the game"...
2007-11-07
12:53:43 ·
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The opposing defense keyed on Jordan so much that they forgot about Jordan.
2007-11-07 12:12:50
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answered by mao ying 3
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r u kidding me!!!? everybody above who said something good about mj knows somthin. all u talkin trash bout mike and saying his teamates were all stars is a bunch of B.S. like one of the guys above, only people who went to their games actually saw mj. ya we all saw him on tv but thats it. michael was the hardest working player in the history of basketball. doesnt matter what magic, kareem and all them averaged. michael did that whatever his team needed to win,u dont understand but if u want to, watch kobe when he shoots over 40 shots a game and doesnt get any other stats except TOs. thats the opposite of what mj did. now after u look back at all these "all stars" what happened after they left the bulls or mike left? pippen went to a few teams for money he never got and he didnt live up to all the hype, looking back after the championships, i dont remember him being a contender or allstar. rodman was surrounded by all stars 2 if u didnt notice.isiah,lambeer,dumars, salley, maguire, ect the badboys. the other members of the bulls were never "all stars" again except horace but he had what, shaq AND penny? r u kidding? the only reason they had better seasons after that was cuz thier team didnt have a leader like mike so they HAD to step up. michael also didnt have one of the best coaches in the history of the nba until it was almost the 90's. come on man. people who have to bag on the greatest to play must have some problems. theres other things but heres some. u must be either really stupid or stubborn not to see these things and plz stop commenting on ppl's writing dawg this anit school
2007-11-08 14:14:15
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answered by crossover boy 3
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lol, gee, i can't imagine why Horace Grant's points and rebounds would be down after teaming up with Shaq in Orlando LOL, especially given the all star caliber centers he played with in Chicago.
Both Grant and Armstrong were all stars in 1994, the ONE YEAR Jordan was retired... Grant played 17 years in the NBA and Armstrong 11... 28 combined seasons, 2 combined all star appearances... how is it they made the all star team ONE TIME each, BOTH without having Jordan there to "make them better"? Two simple words... Scottie Pippen
2007-11-09 09:51:17
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answered by Anonymous
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Bundini was correct. MJ was the hardest working player in practices. He prepared for games so hard that he got into fights with...
Quentin Dailey
Ennis Whatley
Orlando Woolridge
Will Perdue
He slapped Steve Kerr. Bill Cartwright told him that he would "kill him" if he didn't stop pushing him so hard in practice. Brad Sellers broke doen in tears due to MJ critisism (in house) of him based on practices.
Horace Grant issues were well documented about MJ's dictorian style in practice. Very early in Scottie Pippen's career Doug Collins treatment of him cost him his job, so MJ continued the hard treatment of him until he matured.
MJ was the "gym rat" of the team. Hoops the gym in Chicago was MJ's way of preparing during the off season with other NBA players.
MJ's way of placing more focus on preparation made the Bulls players more aware of game time situations so when the games actually occured they were more relaxed.
As BJ Armstrong put it "Guys were afraid of MJ so much that they couldn't wait to take their frustrations out on the opposing team."
In Washington this didn't work because the players on the team were weak minded and spoiled Jerry Stackhouse most notibly comes to mind.
Most of you guys don't know because you're on the outside looking in. Most true Bulls fan know these things due to the fact that we were close to the situation, and certain reports were easily accessible to us. You just saw the games on TV from outside the Chicago area.
Hope this helps.
Additionally, do you remember that video clip of Pippen holding up his foot while wearing some Air Jordans during a Bulls home game in the 1994-1995 season. Holding the shoe up so the logo is viewable by the camera asking MJ to come back to basketball. To me that's an admission that MJ made Pippen better.
2007-11-07 13:05:25
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answered by Dawg Winfrey 5
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i honestly don't know how he did on the court, i am only 15 so i never saw him really play so i'm not gonna lie and start saying made up stuff. what i do know is that he was a leader and had all the right mental attributes which is very underrated. i do know this from not just ppl talking about him but i read an autobiography on him. his leadership, work ethic, will to win, personality, determination and hunger for greatness and winning UNDOUBTEDLY had a HUGE affect on his all star teammates. anyone who ever played basketball on a team before knows that having someone with his mental attributes along with him being the superstar of the team had to have a big affect on his teammates, training, effort, mental toughness, and playing in the games(yearround).
i also don't believe in taking things away from winners. jordan won 6 championships, don't say oh well he had a really good team. i think that championships are earned and i also believe that the best team always wins.
2007-11-07 12:26:24
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answered by dwadefranchizemia03 5
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So he had a line up of Harper, Jordan, Pippen, Rodman and Longley, I'l break down the talents of Jordans supporting cast:
Pippen: attending college at the University of Central Arkansas. At the start of his college career, Pippen was a walk-on for the NAIA school and depended on his stipend for being the team manager and his summer job as a welder to fund his education. Sounds like he was real talented dosen't it?
Rodman: Rodman, who was born in Trenton, New Jersey and grew up in Dallas, Texas, was on the basketball team only briefly at South Oak Cliff High School, where he played under future Texas A&M coach Gary Blair.Having been dropped from the football team the previous autumn, the then-5'6" player quit the basketball team halfway through his first season due to frustration at not being put into the game; Rodman graduated in 1979 without playing further in either sport. While working as an overnight janitor at Dallas Fort Worth International Airport, . A family friend tipped off the head coach of Cooke County College in Gainesville, Texas about his talents and he went on to play a year for the school's team. After his short stint at Cooke County College in Gainesville, Texas, he played for Southeastern Oklahoma State University, an NAIA school. He sounds like Pippen, dosen't he?
Harper: career averages of 14, 4, and 4, which is average.
Longley: career averages of 7 and 5.
So Jordan took a group of role players, and made them into 6 time NBA champions. That seems like he mad them better to me.
2007-11-07 13:12:24
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answered by Anonymous
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I will put you in this way, if you had like you said at least 3 All Star, in that season, why they were not able to go at least to the Eastern Conference Finals?
2007-11-09 04:29:18
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answered by carlosagb2003 2
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In case you didn't know, Michael Jordan was the hardest working practice player in the history of the game. Those who saw him in practice swore that the guy even played harder than in actual games. They say he was even more intense, focused and competitive in practice, including those boring drills that players usually disdain, and he demanded the same commitment from his teammates. He didn't allow anyone to coast along in practice because he believed that it's the key to improvement, individually and as a team. Now, this attitude of his rubbed off to his teammates and that's how they got better. You're right, MJ was lucky to have been surrounded by talented players throughout his Bulls career. But then talent doesn't automatically equate to greatness. Jordan made his "talented" teammates "great". Period.
2007-11-07 12:29:53
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answered by bundini 7
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He did make his teammates better
but only a little bit
not as much as the media wants you to believe as they glorify him and worship him for willing himself and his teammates to win games which is total BS
He had proven teammates like you mentioned and HE GOT THE BEST SUPPORTING CAST POSSIBLE of ANY SUPERSTAR COULD ASK FOR ALL TIME!!!!
He was lucky that he had a good GM who made sound decisions and the best supporting No. 2 man (the perfect role player) in Scottie Pippen who covered his butt on defense and made things easy on offense so that Jordan can waltz his way to the basket
2007-11-07 13:02:24
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answered by Anonymous
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Apperenlty he did something right with them 'cause they produced 6 championships. Hey since you seem to like Kobe so much I'll talk about him! Kobe as a teammate wow... what good things could you say? hmmmmm... I can't think of anything. It's hard to say anything good about somone who brakes up an amazing franchise, and tells his owners to trade teammates for better ones.
2007-11-07 15:52:13
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answered by powderlovinbluedevil 4
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"It's going to take a team effort to win championships," Grant said. "Michael's Michael. You can't compare anybody to a guy of his stature. We didn't mind 'getting overlooked' as long as we won championships and Michael respected our abilities."
http://cbs2chicago.com/seenon/local_stor...
Hope this helps.
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How did Michael Jordan make his teammates better?
Look at these stats:
Horace Grant 12.63 points 8.7 rebounds (1987-1994, Chicago Bulls with Michael Jordan)
Horace Grant 9.7 Points 7.0 rebounds (1994-2004 Orlando Magic, Seattle Supersonics, LA Lakers)
Big drop? Further more...
BJ Armstrong 10.2 points 3.38 assists (1989-1995 Chicago Bulls with Michael Jordan)
BJ Armstrong averaged 6.4 Points 2.63 assists for 1995-2000 palying for Golden State Warriors, Orlando Charlotte Hornets, Chicago Bulls
These are the teammates you call great... But without Michael Jordan?... How About Pip?
Scottie Pippen averaged 17.63 points 10 Seasons with Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen averaged 12.51 points in 7 seasons apart from Jordan including the 1993-1994 season he served as interim-leader of the Chicago Bulls.
Yes he needed these guys to win the damn rings but apart from him they were also ordinary.
How did Michael Jordan made his teammates better again? Please tell me why these players drop their numbers apart from Michael Jordan?
2007-11-07 12:33:43
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answered by Darth Revan 7
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