Has the time come to totally remove religion from politics?

Question

The worship of invisible beings does not sit well with the practicalities and logic of normal life....

Plus after the kook we have had over the past 8 years doesn't that tell you something???????????

Answer 1

That time came long ago. BEFORE the kook we'eve had these past 8 or so years~!

Answer 2

That time came on September 17, 1787 with the signing of the US Constitution that establised the first 100 percent secular government in human history. When asked about God’s total exclusion from American government, Alexander Hamilton responded that the nation did not require any “foreign aid” and the flippant, “we forgot”. The godlessness of the US Constitution was reaffirmed in 1797 when the US Congress passed by unanimous vote, and President John Adams signed into law, the following:

•“As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,…”

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/diplomacy/barbary/bar1796t.htm

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Mel –


“the founders of our nation were nearly all Infidels, and that of the presidents who had thus far been elected [George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, and Andrew Jackson] _not a one had professed a belief in Christianity_”

Episcopalian minister Bird Wilson (son of Founding Father James Wilson) in an 1831 sermon:

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"Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies."

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."

- Thomas Jefferson

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"In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people."

"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."

- James Madison

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"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."

- Abraham Lincoln

Answer 3

Religion and Politics will never be seperated, even in the most secular nations there are religous elements and groups.

Think about all the good leaders the world has had that were religous, the "kook" isn't a kook because of religion

Answer 4

Sure....of course you would need to ammend the Constitution as it expressly forbids government involvement in religion (not the converse as the ignorant so often imply).

If you speak for such a vast majority of "logical" folk, surely this shouldn't be too difficult...? Get the process started...they might even name the Amendment after you...

That thing that led up to the creation of the Constitution was the REVOLUTION, by the way...not the "Non-Stop Whine-a-Thon Heard 'Round the World until They Changed to Suit Our Demands..."

Answer 5

I will fight for everyone's right to worship whichever god he or she chooses. And I will continue to fight until I see political decisions being informed by religious beliefs. Then I will do everything I can to prevent this from happening.

If a politician can't give me a reasonable, fact based explanation of his views, and instead resorts to the citing of, say, scripture, I will not vote for him.

Remember, Atheism is not a religion. Saying so is like saying choosing not to use drugs is another form of addiction.

Answer 6

Well first I think we should remove religion from schools....oh wait, we did.

Well then what about removing religion from the workplace....oh yeah...did that too.

Well, I guess that's the only thing left. But one request, can I still have all my holidays?

Answer 7

The time has come to totally remove religion from Earth.
Big Bang created the Universe.
Evolution created all life.
Clergy are the biggest liars of them all.
Bhuddists aren't bad, but that reincarnation thing is a crock.
There is no heaven or hell.
The Holy Books were all written by MEN.

and if He's got the whole world... in his hands,
He really dropped the ball.


EDIT to David W:
The elimination of religion is not called communism. It is called Science. I'm atheist, but I abhor Communism, because it eliminates Survival of the Fittest, which leads me to Darwin.

Darwin was not religious:

"I can indeed hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true; for if so the plain language of the text seems to show that the men who do not believe, and this would include my Father, Brother, and almost all my best friends, will be everlastingly punished. And this is a damnable doctrine.
"Although I did not think much about the existence of a personal God until a considerably later period of my life, I will here give the vague conclusions to which I have been driven. The old argument from design in Nature, as given by Paley, which formerly seemed to me so conclusive, fails, now that the law of natural selection has been discovered. We can no longer argue that, for instance, the beautiful hinge of a bivalve shell must have been made by an intelligent being, like the hinge of a door by man. There seems to be no more design in the variability of organic beings, and in the action of natural selection, than in the course which the wind blows. But I have discussed this subject at the end of my book on the 'Variation of Domesticated Animals and Plants,' and the argument there given has never, as far as I can see, been answered."
- Charles Darwin, "Autobiography of Charles Darwin"

This next quote is why Evolution works and why anyone who believes in Socialism or Communism has no true understanding of Evolution.

"With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.
The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil. We must therefore bear the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind; but there appears to be at least one check in steady action, namely that the weaker and inferior members of society do not marry so freely as the sound; and this check might be indefinitely increased by the weak in body or mind refraining from marriage, though this is more to be hoped for than expected."
- Charles Darwin, "The Descent of Man"

Answer 8

That's a tricky question. I don't think we should have a government appointed religion, and I don't think the government should be making descisions based on what he "thinks" God has told him. And I don't believe churches should be tax exempt. Heck I don't even believe in the God as defined by Christians or any particular religious groups. But I respect their beliefs.

BUT......to totally remove religion from politics, then we give the religious based governments who hate us in the first place, even more reason to hate us as godless and souless creatures. We'd have absolutely no common grounds in which to try to work things out.

Answer 9

So, lower back, do your political comments impression your place on debatable subject concerns interior the horse marketplace? i does no longer say that they impression my place on subject concerns interior the horse marketplace, yet they do enable me to mesh with many diverse people. i'm from an extremely liberal family members, yet I certainly have a number of my own perspectives and that i in my opinion evaluate myself very center of the line which makes it less complicated for me to get alongside with all the western (many times conservative) than if I have been in basic terms very liberal like my mothers and dads. i think of that this additionally contributes to the reality that I evaluate myself very purpose despite the fact that, and that i think of that i will verify the two factors of diverse subject concerns greater appropriate than different people, which i assume includes over to debatable horse matters as nicely. Do your very own ethical/religious values impact the kind you suspect approximately matters interior the marketplace? religious, no, ethical, sure. i do no longer understand who might say that their ethical perspectives did no longer have something to do with a topic remember or difficulty that for the period of contact the wellness of living creatures- the two human and horse. One final - do you come across that religious/political/ethical values coach a type in one kind of horse proprietor as destructive to a diverse? nicely, in my adventure, commonest rodeo/ranch history western riders and their families tend to be republican and Christian with greater conservative values. i do no longer understand many English riders, so i could no longer say concerning them.

Answer 10

I agree 100%, because I use reason and logic to run my life....not one of the thousands of versions of "God"(everyone has their own God)..

We have Seperation of Church and State for a reason.

Worshippping invisible entities is fine if you choose, but it should be at a personal level, not political.

Answer 11

Wow! How interesting....this question encompasses both religion & politics, not sure which subject is more controversial than the other....I'm certain that you will get record answers!