Has anyone here taken a women's studies course?

Question

...& if so, were radical feminist works discussed?

...& if so did the professors speak about the radicals with clear signs of disapproval?

Was it clear to you that radical feminists were a dark spot on the feminist movement & their sexism should be avoided?

Were their actions at all explained away with sexism about "the patriarchy?"

EDIT:

I know feminists would rather not discuss the radicals (which is part of the reason they're in this mess)

...But it's extremely important for people to see why many people associate feminism with "man-hating."

When the "man-haters" are welcomed into the movement, people notice.

When the "man-haters" are called "pioneers" & "inspiring" and "important" by respected members of the movement, people notice.

(Apple)

The thing is though... HOW they teach about radicals shapes how students feel about them & about their ideas.

The professors have a responsibility to highlight the sexism & hatred of the words & not just the words.

It's important for young women to realize that anti-male sexism is just as bad as anti-female sexism & promoting the works of radicals by assigning reading of them without proper discussion leads to the wrong impressions.

Yes... To hold feminists accountable for their actions (or lack thereof) & to expect man-haters to be ex-communicated is so misogynistic.

Listen to yourselves. You're hilarious!

EDIT:

(Apple)
I suggest you study radical feminism for yourself & not look to your professors for their take on it.

You will see very good reasons to dismiss it as anti-male paranoia. You define it as a "desire a complete change to current economic, political and cultural systems"

OK... I notice you left out the Marxist & anti-male ideas about "the patriarchy."

Why?

What do you think about the patriarchal theories?

There are more sides to this issue than the "feminism is wholesome & pure" that the women's studies programs promotes.

Picture if there were a "Cigarettes Studies" program sponsored by the tobacco industry. Do you think you'd get a balanced, fair, & true view of tobacco?

Answer 1

I didn't take a women's studies course, mainly because I didn't have room in my timetable for it. But I did go to a meeting of the campus "Womyn's Club," and I was not impressed. They don't even call themselves feminists; they're "liberated," which I assume means from men (who aren't allowed in the room during meetings). The coordinator mocked my male friend for questioning this identification, calling him "Peanut," which he's still mad about.

Answer 2

Many years ago I did take a women't studies course. To the best of my memory only one really radical work was discussed, and the professor didn't speak about it with really clear signs of disapproval. What he did say was that works such as these can be harmful in the overall scheme of things to the feminist movement, especially taken out of context or held to be typical. He also explained that sometimes radical works of all types are written with the hopes of gaining attention, being radical on purpose just to make others think a little differently. It's a shame there aren't men's studies courses. I would have taken one of them too, had it been offered.

Answer 3

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Answer 4

Uh, feminism isn't in a mess; it's increasingly accepted that women are human beings.

Yes, there are a few sub-human morons who think that the idea that women are human beings somehow implies some "man-hating" -- but no one with more than one brain cell listens to them.

No, I've never taken a women's studies course; no, I've never read radical feminist works. But it was ineresting to read some of the answers from those who have.

Answer 5

"Women's Studies" might as well be called "Feminist Studies" because that's all it is, a front for the feminista. It's all about propagating the feminist party line.

I'm an equalist, believing that [quote] men and women are born different but equal, are of equal worth, and are deserving of fair treatment under just laws. [/quote] Equalism will eventually consign feminism and masculism into the dustbins of history where they belong.

Equalism is not just about equality, it is also the search for truth. Equalism believes that if an injustice is done you should fight against injustice regardless of the person's sex. Feminism is gender-based and parochial whilst equalism takes a wider view.

Answer 6

Personally, I think this is an excellent question... some of the answers leave a lot to be desired though, such as Jo's - heavily imlying that you need to be on drugs to help control a mental condition (which she only assumes you have). I guess, using Jo's mentality - we can assume feminism is itself a mental disorder... ;o)
Referring to Apple's answer, does that imply that "human rights and social justice." is ONLY a woman's issue? Strange, I'd always understood 'human' and 'social' referred to men & women alike, not just women... Sounds rather hypocritical, doesn't it? :o)

Franzia; you mentioned:
"There's this thing called academic freedom. It prevents people like you with totally obvious self-proclaimed agendas from going around to universities thinking you have some right to play fascist Thought Police."

Yet what do you think feminism is?
It IS an agenda - it does restrict freedom of speech ! Duh.

Boy, some of these are just stupid - can't see the contradictions in their own words - laughable.

Anyway, I attempted to attend a women's studies class but was dissuaded by tutors... not sure if they thought I might be offended by the misandry promoted in them (i.e. trying to save me heartache) or whether they thought it was beyond me (i.e. insulting my intelligence). Either way, I shouldn't have been restricted from my choices.

Answer 7

I took one in college. Radical feminists were rarely refereed to as "radical" and often look to in a positive light by the professor. It was only when students questioned the beliefs of radical feminists that there was any real discussion of it.

Wow! How can people thumbs down my experience? Get off the Hater-Ade people.

Answer 8

Yes, in the mid 90s I took a historical contribution of women to psychology course. Definitely slanted, and the teacher was obviously bitter towards men, but there wasn't any of the male lynching that was happening in WS courses at that time. I did view a male lynching in a non-WS cultural studies course though.

Answer 9

yes, i have taken several of them. clearly you misunderstand women's studies courses. they come in many varieties. right now the one i am taking is "human rights and social justice." at the introductory level, when you are introduced to various types of feminism, the professor explains them in an objective manner. much like a poli sci proff must explain capitalism, liberalism, and communism objectively. it is not their job to tell us what to think.

edit: you feel that radical feminism is sexist. thats fair. now what if i feel that capitalism is racist? does that mean that a proff is responsible to teach it that way? of course not. radical feminsm simply means that you desire a complete change to current economic, political and cultural systems. you have read the writings of a few bad apples. thats not what the movement is about. and proffs are not obligated to teach according to your liking.

Answer 10

Um, no professor has to disapprove of anything or anyone because some group of misogynists says so. There's this thing called academic freedom. It prevents people like you with totally obvious self-proclaimed agendas from going around to universities thinking you have some right to play fascist Thought Police. This is ridiculous, anyway. You can't just throw out an author's whole body of work because someone decided s/he personally was too "radical." Professors continue to assign Malcolm X and James Baldwin, both of whom were angry writers and at some points in their careers discussed and even advocated violence. I think both of them were brilliant.

If you're so concerned about it, how about you get a humanities or social science Ph.D. from a Research I school, get in there like the righteous warrior you are, and start making some changes.