9/11 Conspiracy Theory?

Question

Now i don''t want anybody to get mad cause many americans get all hot and bothered, but 9/11 could be down to the goverment for many reasons and you can't just wash your hands with it, have you all watched loosechange? www.loosechange911.com It quite convinced me, i did my own reaseach aswell and the evidence he uses in it seems accurate. I mean people say "stupid sick theories" but have you noticed, IF the goverment was behind 9/11, that is exactly how they would want you to react, we should all think for ourselves and not just follow everything that is said to us.

Answer 1

David Ray Griffin has given an excellent run-down of the reasons why a lot of people simply won't look at the evidence, and gives an excellent rebuttal to these reasons ("The government wouldn't do such a thing." "Such an operation could not be kept secret." etc.)

The guy above who tells you he hasn't seen Loose Change, but then proceeds to list a number conspiracy theories that have been "de-bunked" is an example of someone who won't look at the evidence. Does he know for example that the often quoted Popular Mechanics "de-bunking" article published by the Hearst Corporation, as well as the 9/11 Commission Report, are distorted, contain glaring ommissions, or are just plain false in some of their claims? They are both part of a cover-up, in my opinion, and that of other "9/11 conspiracy whackos" who don't mind taking the time to look at evidence which shows that the official version of events cannot possibly be true in some of its aspects; there is evidence of government complicity, and evidence of a cover-up, which any curious person can go out and find for themselves, providing they can suspend judgment until they have enough facts.

To wit: the 9/11 Commission Report does not even MENTION the WTC7 building!!! As if the symmetrical free-fall of a 47 story building, which was NOT hit by an airplane and also collapsed on 9/11, and which contained offices of the Department of Defense, CIA, FBI, Secret Service, Trade and Securities Commission, and Giuliani's emergency operations headquarters was not worthy of mention in this so-called "complete and independent investigation."
The U.S. Government has still not given a reason for the collapse of this building, yet anyone with the slightest background knowledge can pin it as a controlled demolition, merely by looking at existing video of this building imploding; which means WTC7 was already rigged with explosives from the inside before 9/11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9b4D-aO3zY

This holds true for the Twin Towers as well, especially since Professor Steven Jones has now found chemical evidence of thermite explosives from steel debris samples. (link below)

Speaking of the 9/11 Commission Report, read Griffin's Myth #4 to see how "independent" this investigation really was from the Bush administration:

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2006/911-Myth-Reality-Griffin30mar06.htm

10 million dollars were spent investigating the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal, while $600,000 were spent investigating 9/11. Does that make any sense to you? Let us not forget too, that Bush initially resisted any investigation at all, but was compelled to by victim family members. The result was basically a controlled cover-up operation, with Bush adminstration insider Philip Zelikow calling all the shots on what evidence was admitted or not.

(edit) "Joey" above asks some good questions, which may or may not be answered some day. The main thing is that there is evidence that the official story is not entirely true, and there is evidence of government complicity in 9/11, and evidence of a cover-up operation. My thoughts on some of Joey's questions:

1) I cannot give you individual names, of course, it would have taken a substantial team, but two salient facts come to mind: a company called "Controlled Demolitions Inc." was hired to remove steel and debris from Ground Zero immediately after 9/11, and Marvin Bush, brother of the president, was president of the security company in charge of the WTC complex. His company's contract expired on exactly September 11, 2001, which is quite the coincidence, to say the least.

2) staffers in the WTC tower buildings reported witnessing many strange comings and goings, power blackouts, strange sounds on vacant floors, as well as thick layers of fine dust, in the weeks preceding 9/11. A team of bomb-sniffing dogs was pulled from the building by Bush's security, mentioned above.

3) Good question. Many of the named hijackers were later reported to be alive and well in Egypt and elsewhere. A passport found at ground zero appears to have been planted. If this document belonged to one of the hijackers on one of the exploding planes, how could it have remained, in perfect condition, when everything in the building all the way down 100 something floors was pulverized into dust (computers, office furniture, etc.)? It could be that they 'went along' because they were in no danger of dying, and they were paid off. Given that both planes were given plenty of leeway and time to maneuver by the powers that be, and they both precisely hit their targets, it is more probable that they were guided by remote control than by amateur pilots. Commercial passenger jets have been equipped with remote guidance systems since the 1970's. Anyone doubting the military's ability to accurately guide any missile, including a passenger plane, only needs to think of "Operation Shock and Awe" later implemented in Bagdad.

4) some air traffic controllers were threatened and ordered to keep quiet, taped recordings were destroyed, by eye witness account. Griffin (from my link above) refers to other secret operations in the past, which remained secret, and describes how members of demolition teams, for example, could be coerced into keeping silent. Firefighters and other eyewitnesses have, in fact, spoken out, as has William Rodriguez, a janitor in the WTC twin towers for 20 years, who was on the scene and who helped save a number of people that day. Rodriguez has since been touring internationally, telling his story, and working with the 9/11 Truth Movement.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=ush-ans&p=william+rodriguez&SpellState=n-3059422543_q-HJXtUsNLCSTn1EeyP.gp%2FgAAAA%40%40&fr2=sp-top

5) I'll pass on this one... I just don't know.

6) The initial video used to ascribe 9/11 to Osama Bin Laden was a fraud. Not only did he not take credit for 9/11, the man on the tape was not Bin Laden. In subsequent tapes, years later, he takes credit. Bin Laden was a former CIA asset, and his brother a Saudi business partner to the Bush family in the war-profiteering Carlyle group, who watched 9/11 in the Washington Ritz Carlton with George Bush Sr (!)... who knows what his real involvement was in 9/11, but if the rest of the operation was staged, then it's not much of a jump to guess that all of the subsequent audio and video pronouncements by Bin Laden, especially when Bush needs some help in the polls, are also a machination.

7) I agree we need proof, someone to testify and finger someone, and a government and justice department which is incorrupt and efficient to bring justice, or at least a new independent investigation.

There are only suspects, with means, motives, and opportunity. At the highest levels, certain members of the PNAC publically showed why they would be motivated to have a " a catalyzing and catastrophic event... a 'New Pearl Harbor" in their publication of September 2000, "Rebuilding America's Defenses" (one year before 9/11). They include Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense for Bush, who certainly had the 'means' at his disposal. Bush's brother handling security for 9/11 certainly would have helped give them an opportunity, as well.

I cannot pretend to know all the answers, or what should be done, I just think that the official story stinks, and that the (unrelated) wars this administration has started under the cover of 9/11, as well as the repealing of basic rights and freedoms at home in the USA (Patriot Act, spying on citizens, legalizing torture and doing away with Haebus Corpus, building of mass detention facilities in the U.S. by Haliburton Inc., etc.) also stink. Just think, in Iraq alone up to one million people have died now, as a result of the invasion and occupation, and 4.2 million people displaced as refugees. Bush himself has finally come out and said Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, though it was invoked again and again in the lead up to the invasion, and 85% of American troops in Iraq believed they were there to 'retaliate for Saddam's role in 9/11.'
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/21/bush-on-911/

It is all so horrible as to be practically unbelievable. Perhaps that is what they are counting on, a strategy which seems to have worked out for them so far, to an extent.

"...people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it..."

Seems to sum up the official take on 9/11, imho.

Answer 2

I have some better questions for ALL conspiracy theorists.

1) Who "specifically" rigged the 3 buildings with explosives?

2) Since it takes about 3 months for a team to rig 1 building with explosives for controlled demolition, how did the government get the personnel (crew) to accomplish this without ANYONE, including building security finding out?

3) Who hired the suicide hijackers? What was the motive for the hijackers to go along with the "plot"?

4) How were the air traffic controllers, building security, demolition crew, eyewitnesses, and passenger's relatives all coaxed into going along with this "conspiracy"?

5) Which part of the "government" was involved? Democrats? Republicans? Or both? If it's just one party, why isn't the other party calling for an investigation?

6) Why did Osama Bin Laden admit to partaking in this? What was his motive.

7) Can the conspiracy theorists give ANY proof for their claims? If so, I would like the names of at least 5 people involved, and the proof of their part.


All I want is proof, then I will believe. Somehow I don't think I get any proof. The entire "conspiracy theory" hangs on their "questions". They have no answers. I believe that people should think independently. However, accepting "theories" without facts, names, and hard evidence is not intelligent thinking.

Answer 3

The such a lot hoary, trite, cliched conspiracy theories in Rock History a million Courtney Love killed Kurt Cobain two Robert Plant, John Bonham, and Jimmy Page all offered their souls to Satan three Elvis Presley and Jim Morrison's deaths had been hoaxes Some of probably the most ridicluous I've heard for sheer lulz Neal Peart was once changed by way of an extra Drummer for awhile within the overdue 70's generation. The "Other Drummer" exerted a Satanic affect over Rush Ozzy and Gene Simmons had a "Gross Out" contest the worried (Among different matters) ant-consuming and animal head-biting off. Rod Stewart had roughly a quart of a *ahem "substance" (that comes from a male) pumped from His belly in a ER.

Answer 4

I know what you mean, a lot of us do get angry when someone mentions a possible cover up by the government.
I have seen loose change as well as a few others, I'm always left with a question and the unreal fact that "how could the government kill all those people?" And I'm sure some of the families of the deceased by now should have seen some of these movies..don't they also question!
It's a scary thought, but I've learned..anything is possible.

Answer 5

Actually the History Channel just did a story on that last night, and every claim by the writer of loose change (who has no engineering background whatsoever) was refuted by people who were there, by engineers and investigators who were there, and by outside experts. I'll take their word over some punk with a laptop.

Answer 6

"Loose Change" is very convincing. Too bad it is full of lies and inaccuracies. There was a conspiracy - it was done by Al Queda. Just because somebody posts a video to a website doesn't mean it is true. Some people insist that the world is flat. "Loose Change" was a very effective piece of propaganda, but is full of holes in regards to how true it is. In short, its a bunch of BS.

Answer 7

There were millions of dollars given to the 911 victims, don't forget, and many of them were among the elite and powerful, or related to them (not everyone, but there were many!!). Doesn't make sense the govenment would do this, only to throw millions of dollars at their widows.
The name "loose change" doesn't even sound credible!! Come on, you can do better than that...

Answer 8

http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=pubs-english&y=2007&m=March&x=20070330134723abretnuh0.9919245
Do a Google search of the term "Loose Change debunked" and you'll find plenty of information that will tell you what really happened. Loose Change is phoney.

Answer 9

The internet film “Loose Change” is a collection of lies & distortions that has been totally refuted.

To see an explanation of any claim in the film, go to the massive website called “Screw Loose Change” which is at

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

Here are some claims of the film and proof that they’re falsehoods:

1. Claim: Charles Burlingame, an ex-Navy F4 pilot who worked in the Pentagon, participated in an exercise simulating crashing a 757 into a building in October 2000, before retiring to take a job at American Airlines,

Truth: Charles Burlingame started working for AA in 1979 and retired from the Naval Reserve in 1996, 4 years before these supposed exercises took place.
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/cfburling3.htm

2. Claim: Investors with prior knowledge of 9/11 made millions buying “put options” on airline stock.

Truth: Both the 9/11 committee and business journalists investigated this claim and found nothing unusual. Much of the investment also involved purchasing airline stock (which would cause them to LOSE money). See Point 6, at:
http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=pubs-english&y=2006&m=August&x=20060828133846esnamfuaK0.2676355


3. Claim: Plane crashing into World Trade Center was identified as a windowless cargo plane.

Truth: The man who claimed this, Marc Birnbach, was over 2 miles away at the time.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=3

4. Claim: An air traffic controller reported that they thought flight 77 was a military plane.

Truth: The full quote was referring to the unsafe way the plane was flying, not that it was impossible for a civilian plane to fly like that. "The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane you don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe."
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/it-was-military-plane.html

5. Claim, Flight 77 managed to tear 5 light poles completely out of the ground without damaging either the wings or the light poles themselves.

Truth: We don’t know that the wings were undamaged, since they crashed into the Pentagon fractions of a second later. There are pictures of the light poles, however, which show them broken and twisted.

6. Claim: The official explanation for flight 77 at the Pentagon is that the intense heat from the jet fuel vaporized the entire plane.

Truth: No official has made that claim, and in fact numerous pieces of the plane, including the bodies of the passengers, and the black boxes were found.
http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

7. Claim: A spokesman for Rolls-Royce stated that engine parts found at the Pentagon did not belong to any of their engines.

Truth: The spokesman stated specifically that he was not an engineer and was not familiar with the engine in question.
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/jet-engine-red-herrings.html

8. Claim: Karl Schwarz President and Chief Executive Officer of Patmos Nanotechnologies LLC and I-Nets Security Systems, identified the engine as being a JT8D turbojet engine belonging to an A-3 Skywarrior.

Karl Schwarz is a proven fraud and conspiracy theorist, with no known background in technology or avionics. His companies are shell corporations with no employees or products. Furthermore, the A-3 Skywarrior never used a JT8D engine. The engine in question is consistent with that of the Rolls-Royce RB211 used by the 757.
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/who-is-karl-schwarz.html
and
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml

9. Claim: Employees at the Pentagon were seen suspiciously carrying away a large box shrouded in a blue tarp.

Truth: The blue tarp was a tent, used to aid in the crash response.
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/its-just-mistake.html

10. Claim: The damage to the Pentagon was completely inconsistent with a Boeing 757?

Truth: Professor Mere Sozen, a “Kettelhut Distinguished Professor Civil Engineering” at Perdue University has demonstrated that the impact was completely consistent with an impact of a Boeing 757

http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html


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It has been claimed that the 9-11 Commission Report doesn't mention WTC7 at all. This is not true.

The 9/11 report had 13 parts. WTC 1&2 are mentioned only in part 9.2 , and only in regard as to how the firemen responded.

Actually, WTC7 is also mentioned in 9.2. The bulk of the report is simply about al-Qaeda & planning for terrorism.

The Commission Report is not an analysis of how buildings collapsed. It's a study on terrorism, how we responded, & what to do about it
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FACT: Jones has been publically denounced by his OWN University

The “intellectual leader” of the 9-11 conspiracy theorists may be Prof. Jones, from BYU (Brigham Young University).

Jones is a member of the physics dept. & his research is in “cold fusion,” an area that’s not related to civil engineering.

The correct department for analysis of the twin-tower collapse is engineering, not physics.

The engineering dept at Jones OWN University (BYU) has heavily criticized Jones.

D. Allan Firmage, Professor Emeritus, Civil Engineering, BYU, called Jones’ statements “very disturbing.” Also, "The structural engineering faculty in the Fulton College of Engineering and Technology [at BYU] do not support the hypotheses of Professor Jones."
See http://www.debunking911.com/jones.htm to see how Jones was ripped apart by his own University.

Jones made so many false statements about thermite being used in 9/11 that finally the editors at “Implosion World” contacted him. They cornered him with the facts. He admitted that his theories had many unexplained holes. He also admitted that none of the steel showed thermite’s “degenerative fingerprint.” See page 7, section 4 of http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf
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CLAIM : Marvin Bush's job was security chief for the Trade Centers
FACT: Marvin P. Bush, the president's youngest brother, was on the board of directors of a company that provided security for the WTC (Stratesec) from about 1993 to 2000.

Members of the Board of Directors meet a few times a year and are obviously not involved in the daily security operations. It means nothing.

Answer 10

It is more likely that the Israeli's planned and executed the attack just as it happened, to fire up the western world against the Arabs, and therefore also generating sympathy for themselves by proxy!

The US government did it?? NO WAY!