Has rational morality truly existed in this world?

Question

Thanks to all your answers. Have a great day!

Answer 1

I suspect that rationality can be overrated.

Bush's "war on terror" uses logical arguments to support it but the real reason for the war was greed for oil. The USA has spent billions of dollars and thousands of lives. If the war had gone well it may have been worth the cost to many Americans. Maybe we could have spent that money and lives better.

People throughout history have used logical arguments and logic or faith in God to support taking others lives, properties and freedoms in horific wars.

Ghandi had a different approach which also fails from time to time. You can use logic or faith for good or bad results. The best we can do is be honest with ourselves and keep an open mind that our logic or point of view is not the only one that makes sense and only by sharing our thoughts can we see the secrets locked in the hearts of others.

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As to the more academic aspects of your question:

If you mean a perfect formal logic, I suspect that such a thing may be impossible. Godel and many others have found that finite formal systems of logic used by computers have limitations. Modal logic's possible world mathematics suggests to me that each different perspectives of thinking has something unique to say of the world. Every persons unique experiences and ways of

All logical thinking as far as I can see are open to errors and rely on faith of some kind. Also there can be different types of logics each logical argument start from different assumptions.

Answer 2

This depends upon your definition of morality and rational. In philosophy, definitions are everything.
For the longest time morality came from a sacred source, such as scriptures or directly from God. This can hardly be called rational. There have been attempts at making morality rational - Baruch Spinoza wrote a beautiful work of philosophy about this, but it was too refined for the people of the time. Jeremy Bentham came up with the idea that we should always strive for the greatest good for the greatest number, even if this flew in the face of conventional notions of morality. He called this moral arithmetic, and he had a huge influence on liberalism. Humanism still strives to have a rational approach to morality, which is why humanists nowadays embrace concepts like gay marriage.

Answer 3

Rational Morality exist only in honest, truthful & brotherly men and women of this world.
What a petty that most or at least far too many don’t have any idea of the meaning of the given words.
Nonetheless, GOD is not going to sit still forever.
I am positive that sometime soon HE will act.
How and when exactly, I don’t really know.
But I have faith and believe in HIM and HIS ways.
Let GOD judge each and everyone of us as and when HE is ready and not as and when we desire.
And HE will soon!

Answer 4

Morality is not a subjective reality.

It is an idea. An idea held in the mind that seems logical from the perspective of the particular viewer.

It may appear immoral from some other perspective.

Love and blessings Don

Answer 5

http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sl/sl_iii.htm#SL36

'§ 36

The fourth branch of metaphysics is Natural or Rational Theology. The notion of God, or God as a possible being, the proofs, of his existence, and his properties, formed the study of this branch.

(a) When understanding thus discusses the Deity, its main purpose is to find what predicates correspond or not to the fact we have in our imagination as God. And in doing it assumes the contrast between positive and negative to be absolute; and hence, in the long run, nothing is left for the notion as understanding takes it, but the empty abstraction of indeterminate Being, of mere reality or positivity, the lifeless product of modern ‘Deism’.'

http://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/d/e.htm#deism

'Deism

Deism means belief in God as a prime cause or creator of the world, after which God has no hand in its affairs. Like Pantheism, Deism is a form of belief in God which provides a basis for materialistic criticism of Religion. Deism is particularly associated with the philosophers of the Enlightenment who prepared the way for the French Revolution – Voltaire and Rousseau – and British philosophers such as Locke and Newton.'

'Morality is not a subjective reality.'

Objective subjectivism: the notion that we are able exit our self into objective reality and thereby acquire facts that mere perspectivism could obtain within its own self. (author: me)

http://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/r/a.htm#rationalism

'Rationalism

Rationalism emphasises the role of Reason in arriving at true knowledge, as opposed to Empiricism, which emphasises the role of Experience and sense perception in knowledge. There are both idealist and materialist trends in both Rationalism and Empiricism.

Further Reading: Descartes, Spinoza, Leibnitz, Kant and Fichte.'


The application of and for reason to describe its experiences (the sensing) is science and properly processed would be properly named rational empiricism. According to objective subjectivism this is true conscience outside question of honesty, for dishonesty requires in the belief of having truth of a kind or quantity of the totality, whereas not knowing can not provide a contraction to a truth that is not in it. Socrates was rather famous for his certifying his unknowingness.

The Will is positive, the Judgment is negative.

Answer 6

Yes, I believe it does. The problem is two world leader must posses it and be of the same mind set. How different the world would be!