Finally some back bone in the senate?

Question

I dont normally agree much with Senator Ted Kennedy. I certainly opposed him on the illegal immigration issue. But he is exactly correct in opposing the attorney general nominee who approves of torture.
Torture as we all know is unamerican, and having the top law enforcement officer in the country..the one in charge of protecting rights of citizens, and enforcing the constitution come out in his bid for nomination and giving his blessing to torture....and everyone shrugging and accepting it, would set a dangerous precedent on top of all the other ones that have already occurred.

Well done senator.....at least on this one issue.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071101/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_mukasey

Answer 1

Exactly. I agree. Incrementalism is how dictatorship and tyranny happens. 10 years ago, if you told americans back then we would be seeing what we see now from our government, they would have said, no, never, not in our america. But now, many of us have now been incrementalized to accept the unacceptable. It is time to draw the line in the sand now, and say enough is enough, and say that the emperor has no clothes and to call a thief a thief, a liar a liar, a warmonger a warmonger, and evil evil.

God Bless america and protect her from tyrants, especially those from within who claim to want to "protect us".

Answer 2

Ted classes waterboarding as torture? Give me a break. Ted's idea of torture is having to set in the Senate without having a drink in his hand.

I've seen worse 'torture' in a frat hazing than the waterboard. I know what I'm talking about. I've been through SEER school in the Navy and been subjected to the waterboard. Was that un-American? I'm a natural born citizen. Were MY rights violated?

*LOL* If police had used the waterboard on Ted we'd really know what happened to Mary Jo and why he took so long to tell anyone what HE says happened.

Doing REAL physical harm to someone I call torture. No crushed testacles, bamboo under the nails, that sort of thing. Making someone so uncomfortable (while doing real harm) they are willing to talk I don't have a problem with.

What we found out from Kalid Sheik Muhammed after two minutes on the waterboard resulted in capturing four top Al Qaeda members. Could we have gotten that information using other methods? Maybe, Maybe not. Could we have gotten the information fast enough to find and catch those same four guys before they went somewhere else? Probably not. None of these people who have been waterboraded were even US citizens.

For those who don't know what waterboarding is. You are strapped to a board face up and head down at a 45 degree angle. A towel is placed over your face and water is run over the towel. Some of it will run down into your throat and you will have the extremely unpleasant sensation your a drowning. Fact you will still get all the air you need to live. Your throat becomes like the bottom of a snorkel. The liquid in your throat never gets to your lungs. When you exhale it's like clearing a snorkel. It's very effective and unless you have a heart attack or stroke (highly unlikely) no actual harm will be done. You are scared big time but nothing else happens on the board.

I'm going to disagree with you AND Ted "the lifeguard" Kennedy on this one. Your definition of what is torture is way too loose.

Answer 3

I normally don't agree with Senator Kennedy on many issues, and add this one to the list.

As I understand it, "waterboarding" involves dunking a person's head underwater, with the person fearing that he may drown unless he cooperates with the interrogation.

I don't know how this fits in with the heirarchy of torture. I don't know if I'd prefer this to being beheaded, bamboo under the fingernails, or buried with ants. It certainly doesn't sound like a bunch of fun, but how else do you extract information from terrorists?

As for Kennedy's position, since when did he become the moral authority? He basically 'waterboarded" Mary Jo Kopechne at Chappaquiddock. I don't see where he has the moral highground to criticize the nominee. And since when did this issue become the litmus test for an attorney general? As far as I can see, this is a political stunt on Kennedy's part to piss on Bush's nominee, rather than genuine rage or concern for Constitutionality.

Answer 4

Pretty much everything out of Sweaty Teddy's mouth is a lie. I wouldn't trust him with anything. I don't know why the good people of Massachusetts keep electing him? Is it some weird allegiance to the Kennedy family?

Answer 5

I generally live my life on this motto
"Whatever Ted Kennedy supports I'm against"

In order to protect Americans we can't tie our protectors hands.

Answer 6

I agree with you on this one. For me, the saddest part of all in this talk about torture is that one fact keeps getting ignored. It has been shown over and over that torture doesn't accomplish what it's supposed to at all. That when someone is being tortured they will say anything, true or not, to get it stopped. Information gotten through torture is extremely suspect, and it always has been. We as a country have badly damaged our image as the "good guys." Yet we continue to want to see ourselves that way while approving of torture.

Answer 7

Having backbone would be accepting responsibility for his behavior. One cannot pretend to protect the rights of citizens while drinking and driving endangering the lives of those said to protect.

Do you honestly believe that torture was invented by America and that it isn't used against our prisoners?

Answer 8

Even a broken clock is right two times a day.

Answer 9

Ted Kennedy is a Bloated Alcoholic Liar and if he said something you can bet he lied.

Answer 10

Water boarding saved countless lives when used to get info from 9/11 architect...remember that.