By the way, Jack Morris won 254 games in only 3,824 Innings Pitches as oppossed to HOF'ers Gaylord?

Question

Perry who had 314 Wins in 5,350 Innings, and Don Sutton who won 324 wins in 5,282 Innings. So, my point is, Jack Morris should definitely be in the Hall of Fame. He pitched over 1,400 fewer innings than Sutton and Perry who are in the Hall and won 254 games, only 46 games short of 300. He definitely would've gotten over 350 wins if he pitched 5,000 innings. In reference to the Bert Blyleven argument, Bert also pitched almost 5,000 innings, 4,970 innings and won 287 games, so the argument that Bert is the best pitcher not in the Hall doesn't hold water, and don't bring up Gossage, because yes, he should be in too. But certainly Morris should, you agree?



http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/morrija02.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/suttodo01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/perryga01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/blylebe01.shtml

Good point, you must add Tommy John to that list. He has 288 wins, but pitched 26 seasons and 4,710 IP. 8 more seasons than Morris. Who cares how many women he banged, FYI, all athletes cheap on their spouses, that is not a reason to keep them out of the Hall.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/johnto01.shtml

Chipmaker, the Innings stat that I mentioned does have weight and value to it because he had a mucher higher win to IP % ratio then the counterparts that I mentioned who are in the Hall

Answer 1

This really isn't the argument you want to promote as being in Morris' favor.

Innings pitched have VALUE. Morris pitching fewer -- many fewer -- innings than Perry or Blyleven or Sutton isn't something that makes him look better. It really isn't. Yeah, it sounds good at first blush, but it falls apart quite quickly. Morris pitched fewer innings AND had a higher career ERA. Sorry, but I'm not seeing the light here.

You want Morris in; fine, that's an opinion. Your basis for that opinion is not yet well constructed (and please, don't dredge up that old "most wins in the 1980s" sawhorse; reaching that deep for gold stars REALLY underscores how poor the argument in favor is). And, to date, the writers -- the only collective of opinions that really matters -- have disagreed with your position.

Morris was good, sometimes very good. He might get a plaque, and good for him if he does. But the Hall is not a lesser institution without him, is not suffering from his absence.

Answer 2

Sometimes it is about longevity. Longevity is a good thing.

Jack Morris's 254 wins(40th all time), 3824 innings(49th), 2478 strikeouts(31st), and 527 games started(35th) were his most impressive career stats.

Bert Blyleven had 287 wins(26th), 4970 innings(13th), 3701 strikeouts(5th), 685 games started(11th), all more than Morris.

Morris was a 5 time All-Star (1981, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1991), and World Series MVP in 1991. He had three 20 win seasons (1983, 1986, 1992), and three 200 strikeout seasons (1983, 1986, 1987).

Blyleven was a 2 time All-Star (1973, 1985). He had one just 20 win season (1973), but six 200 strikeout seasons (1971-1975, 1986).

Morris had a great 12 year run, while Blyleven had a great 14 year run.

I would like to see Morris in the hall, but not before Blyleven with what he did over his 23 year career as opposed to a 17 year career.

Answer 3

Yes he should. I'll never forget when the Rocket Roger Clemens had a little over 250 wins and it looked like he might retire. A writer wrote about how it wasn't 300 wins but really 250 that was the line for pitchers making the Hall. Obviously, he was all for putting the Rocket in short of 300. Now, other writer non-favorites left out have been Bert Blyleven, Tommy John, and Jack Morris -- all with over 250 wins. The writers are scum -- they probably take money under the table to get certain guys in. Morris was a post season STUD on top of everything else. He was robbed.

Answer 4

Good point. Perry and Sutton were "accumulators". They were there for a couple more rounds of paychecks. Morris was a member of the 1984 team that ran away with the AL East finishing 15 games ahead of the second place Blue Jays and if they had been in the same division would have finished 20 games ahead of the KC Royals the AL West winner. That was a top ten all-time team and he was the jewel in the crown opening the season with a no-hitter, going 19-11 in the regular season and 3-0 in his post season starts allowing only 5 runs in 26 innings. Morris was a misogynist slob of a human being but a HOF pitcher.

FYI, the Baseball Goddess is a life-long Yankee fan and so has no bias as to whether Morris gets in other than he treated women like dirt and it serves him right if he dies a HOF also ran.

Answer 5

I never looked at it that way, Innings Pitched. Makes sense. Yes, he should be in. Maybe he would've won 400 games if he pitched as many innings as Perry, Sutton and Big Bert.

Answer 6

I think Morris should be in the Hall, but your theory is horse manure. thats comparable to saying if Canseco got 1500 more abs he would have hit 540 HRS. It is what it is, its games won not a projected curve. There is always going to be inequities in baseball as in life and thats one of them..get over it and move on

Answer 7

I'll never forget the way he pitched in Game 7, that ought to be enough to get him in the Hall alone.