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It seems unthinkable that if the office of the Pope actually existed, that he and his office would be completely overlooked in a 3 century history.

2007-10-26 16:21:15 · 3 answers · asked by realchurchhistorian 4 in Arts & Humanities History

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The various early popes are mentioned in Eusebius, but they are not referred to as "Pope" but rather as the "Bishops of Rome". In the early church, there was still considerable debate over whether the Bishop of Rome was more important or had primacy over other bishops, especially those of the important sees of Alexandria and of Constantinople. Gradually, over the course of three centuries, the authority of the Bishop of Rome over the others came to be accepted by many Christians, although not all. It wasn't until Leo the Great in the 5th century that the Bishops of Rome actually made their authority official doctrine. A great part of the reason for the split between Eastern and Western churches lay in this very question.

The first pope to actually call himself pope and not just Bishop of Rome was not Peter or any of the earliest popes, but rather Siricius (AD 384-99). Given that Eusebius died more than forty years before Siricius took the papacy, it would have been more surprising if he had referred to a pope.

2007-10-26 18:21:10 · answer #1 · answered by Gerald 5 · 2 0

ok, i'm not Anti - Catholic, I in basic terms don't think various what the Catholics have confidence. i think that Catholics thoroughly push aside the instructions of the Bible to preserve authority over their followers. permit me clarify... The bible says "you shall not make your self an idol in the form of something in heaven above or on the earth below or in the waters under. You shall not bow all the way down to them or worship them for I the Lord your God am a jealous God." Exodus 20: 4-5 This experpt is quickly from the ten Commandments. The Catholics make statues of Mary and kiss the ft of those statues. They pray to Mary....consequently, the "Hail Mary" They carry directly to specific beads in a rosary jointly as they pray....All you may desire to do is communicate over with God....he will constantly pay attention...He in no way leaves us. all of them compliment the Pope as though he have been a holy guy himself....he's not any closer to God than i'm. in fact, i'm greater specific approximately my courting with God than i'm approximately his..... They tell a guy what sins they have committed and that guy tells them what they could desire to do to be forgiven by utilising GOD.......My God basically asks, that I ask forgiveness from HIM and be somewhat sorry. He could in no way question me to earn his forgiveness....that's freely given....that's a modern... that's what gadgets him aside from us....his Unconditional Love. In so a great way by using fact the stable deeds of the "Church" those stable deeds are achieved by utilising persons... There are stable people and undesirable people in each Race, intercourse, Creed, colour, Eduation point, and confident even faith..... you would be unable to declare those people have been stable by using fact they have been Catholic... which would be precisely like asserting that all and sundry Catholics are undesirable based on the activities of recent the place many Catholic clergymen are dealing with fees of molestaion....you would be unable to have it the two procedures. there have been many stable people who weren't Catholic..... i think I actually be able to tell apart a stable person from a bad person inspite of what faith that are yet that would not propose that i think that all and sundry Catholics are stable based on the occasion of a few, in basic terms as i don't have confidence that all and sundry Catholics are undesirable based on the few in the recent media. It additionally would not propose that the Catholic faith is a stable faith by using few stable people who save on with it.

2016-09-27 23:20:43 · answer #2 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

John 21:15-17 states:

When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs."

He then said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep."

He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?" and he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." (Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep.

Matthew 16:17-19 states:

Jesus said to him in reply, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Here are a few non-biblical proofs of Peter as Bishop of Rome, all of them from before the council of Nicea in 325 A.D.

Pope Clement's letter to the Corinthians (written about 96 C.E.) was pastoral in tone.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1010.htm

St. Ignatius of Antioch in his letter to the Romans (written c. 105) in a very long introductory sentence writes, "...; the Church ..., which also presides in the place of the report of the Romans, ..."
http://www.crossroadsinitiative.com/library_article/244/Letter_of_Ignatius_of_Antioch_to_the_Romans.html

Irenaeus in 189 C.E.:
"With [the Church of Rome], because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree... and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition."
and
"The very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; ... The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate." (Against Heresies 3:3:2-3) http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix.iv.iv.html

In 195 C.E., Pope Victor I excommunicated Christians belonging to another place and bishop, the Quartodecimans of Asia, for observing Easter on the wrong date.

Tertullian in 200 C.E.:
"For this is the manner in which the apostolic churches transmit their registers: as the church of Smyrna, which records that Polycarp was placed therein by John; as also the church of Rome, which makes Clement to have been ordained in like manner by Peter." (Demurrer Against the Heretics 32) http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0311.htm

Anonymous in 211 C.E.:
"For they say that all the early teachers and the apostles received and taught what they now declare, and that the truth of the Gospel was preserved until the times of Victor, who was the thirteenth bishop of Rome from Peter" (The Little Labyrinth, in Eusebius, Church History 5:28:3) http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf201.iii.x.xxix.html

Cyprian of Carthage in 251 C.E.:
"And although to all the apostles, after His resurrection, He gives an equal power, and says, “As the Father hath sent me, ..., they shall be retained;” (John 20:21-22) yet, He founded a single Chair. That He might set forth unity, He established by His authority the origin of that unity, as having its origin in one man alone. No doubt the others were all that Peter was, but a primacy is given to Peter, and it is thus made clear that there is but one Church and one Chair. So too, even if they are all shepherds, we are shown but one flock which is to be fed by all the apostles in common accord. If a man does not hold fast to this oneness of Peter, does he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he deserts the Chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, has he confidence that he is in the Church?" (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4) http://www.romancatholicism.org/jansenism/cyprian-church.htm

And in 252 C.E.:
"Moreover, Cornelius was made bishop by the judgment of God and of His Christ, by the testimony of almost all the clergy, by the suffrage of the people who were then present, and by the assembly of ancient priests and good men, when no one had been made so before him, when the place of Fabian, that is, when the place of Peter24612461 [On the death of Fabian, see Ep. iii. p. 281; sufferings of Cornelius (inference), p. 303; Decius, p. 299.] and the degree of the sacerdotal throne was vacant; which being occupied by the will of God, and established by the consent of all of us, whosoever now wishes to become a bishop, must needs be made from without; and he cannot have the ordination of the Church who does not hold the unity of the Church." (Letters 51:8) http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.iv.li.html

Eusebius of Caesarea in 312 C.E.:
"As to the rest of his followers, Paul testifies that Crescens was sent to Gaul; but Linus, whom he mentions in the Second Epistle to Timothyas his companion at Rome, was Peter’s successor in the episcopate of the church there, as has already been shown. Clement also, who was appointed third bishop of the church at Rome, was, as Paul testifies, his co-laborer and fellow-soldier." (Church History 3:4:9–10). http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf201.iii.viii.iv.html

More other early Christian writings that refer to Peter as Bishop of Rome, see: http://www.americancatholictruthsociety.com/docs/ecfpapacy.htm

The Catholic Church believes the Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the "rock" of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.

The Pope is the senior pastor of 1.1 billion Catholics, the direct successor of Simon Peter.

The Pope’s main roles include teaching, sanctifying, and governing.

For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, section 880-882: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt3art9p4.htm#880

With love in Christ.

2007-10-26 16:54:16 · answer #3 · answered by imacatholic2 7 · 4 1

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