I want your opinions without conflicts.?

Question

Do you think that at the national parades of a country-any country-the flag has to be held by natives or also by foreigners?

Answer 1

I agree totally with Leonarda.

In my opinion only the natives of a country should hold her flag. I'm not a racist or fanatic.

These have the obligation to honor their ancestors who gave their blood for freedom.

The person who holds the flag , first must be Greek , and then a good student.

Flag is not only a reward for a student , like a prize , a diploma or a scholarship.

It's much much more than that !

Answer 2

I am torn on this one.
If the flag bearer is being honoured for his excellence at school then by all means as long as he feels pride and wants to hold the flag he should.If he is a foreign born kid he is signalling his allegiance to his new country and promoting an emotional bond with his new homeland.
Nothing wrong with that!

If on the other hand he bears the flag as an achievement for his original country and does not ''feel'' Greek then I have a problem.How do we know?Perhaps ther school should judge not just on marks but also have a subjective evaluation?

The answer might be that we have the foreigners here anyway ,so we might as well accept the ones that excel and let them be an inspiration to the rest!

Answer 3

The right given by the law to the best pupil of the school to hold the flag has to be revoked and avoid beautiful scenes with Psomiadis's patriotic "Dekarikous". The flag should be held by the national citizens of a country, however excellent students, foreigners may be.

Answer 4

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Answer 5

I don't really care who holds the flag as long as it's that countries flag and only it's flag.

Answer 6

My experience as a junior high school teacher has proved to me that:
a) students (and their parents) who come to bear the flag, in their majority don't feel proud of bearing the symbol of a nation and whatever that means, but they are proud of showing they are the best students.
b) I've seen parents and students crying and fighting when there is a draw as a result of having the same grades with one of thei classmates, and I can assure you this doesn't happen due to their patriotic feelings... It's just a good way to show off.
c) I've held over and again discussions with my students about immigrants and foreigners in our area (we've got lots of them in our school and from very different countries), and specifically about the flag issue, and I've come to realize that they have abso;utely no problem if it's an English or German person the one who carries the flag (it seems it's because they come from "prestigious" countries) but they do disapprove of Albanians bearing the flag!

I don't like to see young people thinking like that, believing that Greek immigrants were welcomed to other countries and that whenever Greek people travel abroad are accepted with admiration, or that we are superior to other nationalities and civilizations.
I wouldn't mind a foreigner bearing our flag as long as he/she wanted to. There are some economic and political refugees that respect and are grateful to the country that has given them a home and food, even more than some natives. And in some cases they have struggled even more than Greek children to achieve what they've achieved.
Plus, I agree with Frank B, in the case of excellent foreigner students, we deal with Greek citizens, they have citizenshipp and national status in their majority, they were brought to Greece at an early age, and some of them don't even speak their mother tongue! Should we ban them from bearing the flag?

Answer 7

Also by foreigners who have made the country their home ,who also love and respect their new country.I think they would see it as an honer to do so.I think natives should be proud a foreigner would care enough to do so.

Answer 8

Very strong sentiments, some contradictory, are expressed within. The question is well served, I'd say.
Please do take into consideration a few factors.
Reports of the friction between Greeks and Illyrians date back to ancient times. Many Albanians migrated to Greece during various times including Prince Orlov's mercenary armies. All those people assimilated into the Greek society and became Hellenized getting a Greek education, speaking the language and becoming Christian Orthodox.
Many current Greeks, as you probably know, inhabiting the islands of Saronikos are of Albanian descent.
"He who has Hellenic Paedia is a Hellene", bloodlines notwithstanding.
Who amongst us can claim purity in "blood" going back to antiquity? Leonarda and Della... have Italian blood, I have Italian, Greek and English. (As far as I know)
In Athens last year I conversed with four teenagers, three black and one Asian who were born in Greece. They all considered themselves Greek. My three sons born outside of Greece consider themselves Greek. Who's going to tell them they are not? Terrence Quick or Miltiades Evert?
Should they be standard bearers or not?

Answer 9

I honestly disagree with some of the answers posted so far.

Is a child born in Greece from Albanian parents, Greek or Albanian? Should the child...of that "Greek" child be Greek or still remain an Albanian...? Eventually, could we please define what a Greek child is...? Hitler had the same problem as he was trying to solve the question of who could really be characterized as a true Jew in Nazi Germany.

And then again, I would also dare to ask some "Griegos" in our section whether their ideas apply also to them...I really want to know since their ideas need badly an answer of how much of a Greek should a Greek be...For instance, should Leonarda, a Greek-Italian citizen (to the best of my knowledge) be allowed to hold the Greek flag? the Italian flag? or none of the above? Of course, to me, this is a never-ending oxymoron. But in that respect, her answer is also very interesting, if not surprising.

Eventually, such ideas as those presented here are divisive for the society, prevent integration of foreigners to Greece, do not build a Greek conscience and originate from the lack of people's exposure to multicultural societies and their current problems.

I think that Greece is gradually becoming one such society and its not up to us to stop this procedure. Its an unintended side effect of growth and development that brings our country to global exposure. In this context, a flag can and should only unite. Not divide...For our own sake and the sake of this nation...Its not really an option.

The recent Greek governments -guided by several scientists from the "think tank" of ELIAMEP- do no more than this.

To Dellarovere/Leonarda: I will be the last to question anyone's contribution to this country or whether someone is more of a patriot than others. A bloody war during the late 40s and early 50s gave us an idea where such perceptions lead to. But I still think "Flag" ideas are divisive for this nation and may not help at all.

Answer 10

Yes< it should be held by natives. I mean, isn't it an honour to bear the flag? What sense would it make to have someone honour a country in that manner if it is not their country?