It's ridiculous. You all heard Joe Buck say last night that Todd Helton is "just as good a hitter away from Coors Field as he is at home". Unlike politics, you just can't tell lies about black and white numbers in sports. Todd Helton is a great guy and a great hitter, but just like every other human on the planet, he's a much better hitter at Coors Field. He's a career .367 hitter at home and a career .295 hitter away. Fact. Can't argue with it. Is lying just a general part of the FOX culture?
2007-10-25 03:50:22 · 15 answers · asked by Anonymous in Sports ➔ Baseball
Excellent. I'm glad that the FOX network apologists hang out on all of the Y/A categories....
2007-10-25 04:11:34 · update #1
Buck doesn't know what he's talking about.
This goes far in explaining why (a) he's at Fox and (b) he has gone far within that organization.
"Fox News: The More You Watch, The Less You Know."
2007-10-25 05:11:30 · answer #1 · answered by Chipmaker Authentic 7 · 3⤊ 1⤋
While I have a difficult time listening to Joe Buck, i don't think he was "lying" in this case. Yes, Helton has a higher BA at Coors Field then he does on the road. But so does just about every single player that has ever played for the Rockies. To really look at this in an intelligent matter, you must determine what effect Coors has on the entire league's batting average. The fact that almost any player will have a higher average at Coors then around the rest of the league is more an indication of how much a hitter's park it is, rather then the ability of the players at one park or another. Todd Helton is Todd Helton regardless of where he happens to be playing. If he were to play for the Dodgers, his average in home games would very likely be lower then on the road, given that Dodger Stadium is a "pitcher's park". But again, that would not indicate that he was a "better hitter" on the road than at home, it would simply say his average was higher.
Statistics are a great way to start when judging a player's ability, but they are not the only way. Any statistic must be used in a meaningful context to be of any use.
So, was Buck lying? NO. Was he interpreting the statistics in a different way then you do? Yes.
2007-10-25 11:12:48 · answer #2 · answered by artistictrophy@sbcglobal.net 4 · 2⤊ 1⤋
I don't think he was lying, but that was a very stupid thing to say. Helton has great career numbers, but they'd be nowhere near as impressive had he spend those years on any other team. He's a very good hitter, but the fact that some talk use his name and the words "Hall of Fame" in the same sentence make me think that many people don't understand just how dramatically they underestimate park effects.
I'm not going to comment on the politics side of it - I'll take the easy way out and say that, since I'm Canadian, I only watch CBC news (not really true). Anyway, I made the same argument in one of my questions about whether Matt Holliday is overrated because of the fact that he hit so much better this season at Coors than on the road. That should really be taken into account at awards time, in my opinion.
My personal favorite Rockies stat comes from Jeff Cirillo in 2000. Home numbers - .403 average and 1.072 OPS. Road numbers - .239 average and .628 OPS. Yikes.
2007-10-25 11:50:39 · answer #3 · answered by Craig S 7 · 4⤊ 2⤋
Your question has nothing to do with baseball. This is just a platform for you to spit your left wing liberal communist venom at the Fox network......period.
Who listens to Joe Buck and Tim McCarver anyway? Smart listeners turn the volume down on the TV and listen to the game on ESPN radio...............Daaahhh!
2007-10-25 12:39:13 · answer #4 · answered by The Mick 7 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Cmon man. If you believe everything a sportscaster said, you would be a real opinionated jock. I watch baseball with the sound off and a cd playing. try it sometime. then the game is not only enjoyable, but you don't have to listen to idoits either.
2007-10-25 13:40:56 · answer #5 · answered by ixnaytim 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Because they are owned by the same company. Apparently, the commentators do not understand the basics physics of air pressure & that when a ball is hit in a field that is at a higher altitude, it will go further, which, probably explains why they went the route of being a commentator....... b/c they don't have the brains to think for themselvs & can only read what others type for them to say (&, will still say it b/c they do not know that they are wrong) Hence, makeing themselves look like complete morons.
2007-10-25 10:56:12 · answer #6 · answered by Maria Rose 5 · 7⤊ 3⤋
Well,
Are you saying that Fox News is NOT fair and balanced. Just because Hume, Cavuto, Oraly, Hannity, Gibson, Smith, Fox and Friends, Kelly, Cameron, Napalitano, Morris, and Malkin on prime shows, they still have Greta (who does not cover politics) and colmes.
Look - Joe Buck is an idiot. But... they are better than espn!
2007-10-25 11:57:04 · answer #7 · answered by ? 4 · 1⤊ 3⤋
Don't know if it's true of Fox sports or just true of Joe Buck.
2007-10-25 11:10:10 · answer #8 · answered by Andre 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
HA! I despise Joe Buck too.
I think anyone working under Rupert Murdoch has to take a polygraph, if you fail - you're hired.
2007-10-25 13:06:02 · answer #9 · answered by JenEstes 5 · 3⤊ 1⤋
this is not about being liberal or conservative. BTW: isn't our country just so prosperous right now? All this disposable income, ooops I meant FORECLOSURES but I digress. No - the stats don't lie. But if Coors helps Helton, imagine what it might do for Ramirez and Ortiz.
2007-10-25 11:13:25 · answer #10 · answered by alomew_rocks 5 · 3⤊ 3⤋