IF HONDA Vtec is ......! then ?

Question

Why would you want to swap the engines out for an engine just to get into the 200 HP range if Hondas are the ****? and why would you want a Vtec if its no good below the Hi RPM range
So I am asking what good is it to have a Honda Vtec engine or any combo thats been done in modifiying hondas if you have to keep it in the RED LINE RPM and add a TURBO just to beat your competition?
I don't see ya Bore and stroke the engine to get 450HP & add Cams and lifter kits. you need Nos and Turbo to go Fast

SO WHY are Hondas the ****???? LOL I don't think so..!!

I already understand engine mechanics and drove many hondas/ acuras.
Please answer truthfuly & with experances gets a best answer!

NISMO 4 Life GT-R34 T

I Don't hate Hondas nore the owners of any honda. they make good engines, i am not a Mustang GT fan. IM more impresssed that U Vtecs raged war on tha streets against Mustang gts like Chevys vs Ford back in the day. I asked because I don't see anyone talking about the following cars getting beat by a Gsr vtec, civic si or any of hondas best> its always the mustang gt,,, LOL! its a slow car anyway,, maybe cus theres just as many of em on the street as the integras/ tpye r,civic si, and now Rsx/type s, but the list as follows>>>
EVOs 6,7,8s
Wrx STI
turbo Rx7s
Supras 2Jzs
SS Camaros
05-07GTOs
Nissan 300zx /Turbos
Trans AM Lt1 -Ls6.

if i didn't list it I will pose another Question later on in Honda

NISMO/ infinityGs4Life
SkyLine GT-R34 "Vtec Eaters"

Answer 1

From reading this I don't think you ever been in a fast Honda. In this answer I will give you examples of my experiences and of close friends.

I had a 1993 Mustang 5.0 bored and stroke to 306, had the head and cams, and nitrous(nos is a company that makes nitrous not nitrous it self since you know this your an expert here I let it slide). Car engine built by Fast Times(build race engines for funny cars was great trq when I sprayed(250shot) the car was able to hit 10.7, better suspension and a harder launch maybe a mid 10.5(1/4) but with this car I spent alone $8000 on the motor, $600 for the nitrous kit, $800 for the clutch and $300 for the gears and other items, plus the cost of the car $3500. So if you did the math $13,300 I was a 10's car but the car still need a cage, and probably another $1200 in suspension work. But after 10,000 miles on the motor and about 15 miles on spray. The rockers start to go. Not to mention that this car couldnt and wouldnt be a daily driving and hate the cold weather. After I sold it I was missing speed and wanted some for an every day driver. My friend working at a shop got me a clean 1991 Civic for $1200, finding and TSX K24 engine swap for under $500 started my engine swap idea, long story short for under $3000 I add about 200whp in a 2000lb, that summer I ran on slicks a 12.7 beating my cousin new 2004 Cobra. It would lead to me, spraying a 75 shot(weak sauce from my 5.o) and pair Skunk2 to cams, tune the car made 260whp on pump gas, hit the strip again 12.1 one on stock Tein suspesnion I was surpise. For under $6000 I was almost in high 11' sec terrrioty and daily driven.

Vtec red and what?

My friend has a turbo D16Y7 1996-2000 Honda DX motor, with the EX intake manifold, Super 60 T3 turbo, 10psi untune not vtec shifts at 6800RPMs and spank the crap out of a Mach 1, his car cost under $3000 and runs a high 12's on stock suspension and steelies :0 daily driver

My friend Del Sol 2400lbs vtec built motor spend about 4000 and ran 11.8's faster then a 70,000 Z06

Why vtec because like any racer you need RPMS to get down the track correct, most stock bottom end V8s dont rev past 5500-6000 on track or spray, built bottom ends rev higher like my friends 5.0 he revs to 7200 RPM but wait why, because you can make power through the power band, if you running a 3-speed tranny in a turbo mustang you have to be reving at 8000rpm to make through the 1/4. An most funny cars, and drag cars rev that high. Vtec is a second cam lobe engaging. Which ables it to also rev higher just like a built V8 drag motor is. So in this answer is if you would of know that a Vtec engine revving hight to make power and not hitting the redline(there dumb if they do) and a v8 built drag car are equal becauses depending on gearing more RPMS are needed to get down the track

Answer 2

You're completely missing the point. There are different types of vtec. In short, you can look at it as two types: economy, power.

The people who do swaps are usually looking for power; a good platform to start building. Honda cars are usually light, so they don't need huge torque numbers to get them moving. It's more about power to weight and gearing. Honestly, if someone goal was to just build a high output motor, the vtec mechanism is actually a disadvantage because it adds weight and complexity. Don't expect to be driving that monster around town though. However, to have vtec means you get the top end power and the drivability of the lower end. Not just that but if you know anything about building a car, when you have huge cam'd cars, they have an awful idle. Vtec allows you to run huge cams but yet have a steady idle, hense the drivabilty part. This you can drive around town and still get decent mileage.

If you look at it from a race stand point, the only time you'll be close to the low end is at the launch. Whether you're at the track or drag strip, you'll utilizing the mid to high end power. It would be smart to have power in that area, wouldn't it.

I'm not saying it's the best, but it does have it's many advantages. Many companies these days are adding in their own version of variable timing. They see the advantage.

Answer 3

I see you're a hater, so there probably isn't any sense in writing to you, your mind is already set, but if it's not...

People do these swaps so they get an increase in displacement, like swapping in a 1.8, 2.0 or 2.2L in place of a 1.5 or 1.6L because this starts their room for improvement. Not in every case does a Honda have to reach redline before peak power, in most cases yes, but when paired with the correct turbo or supercharger, these power gains can be seen as low as 2,000rpm and you'll still have 6,000 more rpm to go. So while the v-8 with the 6,000rpm red line is shifting and moving a car length behind, you're still revving and producing horsepower.

A honda is a light car, it doesn't need as much power or torque per pound as larger cars like firebirds or camaros, which weigh on average 1,000 pounds more. The true value of a car should be power versus weight, not total power. This is why an article in a Sport Compact Car magazine a couple years back with a guy who put a GS-R 1.8L VTEC engine into a Mini (original 70's style) was going head to head and beating new Jaguars rolling out of the jaguar factory in England. Simply put, power to weight is what all Honda enthusiasts desire and although much can be said for big power in muslce cars winning the day, you're still paying more for parts and gas while not having the daily-driveability of a honda. I dare those with a 450 hp v-8 to say they drive their car everywhere from a commute to work through traffic and errands runs, because they simply won't due to the high price of gas.

Honda's can still beat up on muscle cars and vise versa, it's just a matter of who did what to what and who's going to be jealous or hatin' at the end of the day

Answer 4

Honda engines are THE ONLY engine being used by the entire INDY RACING LEAGUE. Just a few years ago that field included Toyota but they've recently bowed out. American muscle doesn't even compete.

Just because an engine operates in the higher reaches of it's operating band doesn't make it bad. The VTECs I know about begin operation at 5500 rpm and have 8000 rpm redlines. That means it becomes effective when YOU want it, i.e. when your foot is into the gas pedal heavy. When you aren't into it, the VTEC stays neatly tucked away letting the engine produce high gas mileage.

Couple those two attributes together and you have a highly reliable daily driver that performs when you want it to yet gets good gas mileage too. That combination is hard to beat!

My 1990 Hond Prelude's interior looks pretty much like new after 250,000 miles and almost two decades of use. Any other car's interior would have self destructed years ago (planned obselescence) making you want another car regardless of how much horse power it still produced.

450 horsepower 100% of the time? You can have it, I don't want it because I simply cannot afford it and my 100 horses still gets my butt around just fine.

Answer 5

There is certain merit to your question, and it's not related to specifically Honda. What's the point of spending thousands on some turbo, etc. stuff if max speed limit in most states is 75? When I bought my first Civic in '89, I tried it @115 mph in the middle of the night in some rathole in ohio. Do I need to add anything to that? Nope. In other words, it's almost as impractical and... well, stupid to modify a Honda as some camaro. At least Honda would last.

Answer 6

i guess your one of those guys that have no idea what they are talking about huh? i have a n/a civic eg, with a gsr swap, and i put around 275 hp to the ground, yes it took, 4 years and about 10 grand, but it will spank just about any v8 that pulls beside me. i also have a da integra that puts down some heavy hp, on a non vtec. see there are actually kits that you can buy to bore and stroke. nos is stupid, i see more v8 "muscle" cars using nitrous than 4 cyl. turbo is great, have you ever been in a boosted car? apparently not. us honda people don't "need" turbo, its just something that we like to do. do you go drive your car, and we'll drive ours. this import vs. domestic battle will never go anywhere.

Answer 7

Hondas are overated. Thanks to Vtec and marketing hype. Most people don't even know what vtec is one man told me in work here that it's the trani ...sic*
If we want to talk raw power from a jap engine, lets talk about the SR20 engines, now lots of honda owners are making the swap cause of the beating they are getting out there.(without turbo)

Answer 8

i TOTALLY AGREE!!!!! lol most of the time people do swaps to gain alot of power....honda owner will do a swap just to have vtak(LOL)and gain only 5hp...lol right?i have a friend that shouldve been slapped...he took a d16y8 (1.6 single cam vtak)fully built it and put a turbo kit and is hoping for 400 hp...right...not happenin anyways he spent about 7 grand on that Sh**

honda=how odd no damn acceleration

Answer 9

I don't get it either but I've heard some say it's the challenge that they like. Personally I think their nuts!