Does anyone else find it ironic that the Liberals are against wire tapping suspected terrorists because they?

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feel it might infringe on their rights and privacy.... yet... they are all willing to sign up for Universal Health Care and hand the government all of their medical history? Correct me if I am wrong... but don't people value the whole doctor/patient confidentiality thing anymore? Psychiatric counseling falls under health care too.... now the government gets to know EVERYTHING about someone with any type of issue. And libs can't wait to sign up! What is up with that?

And how is it you libs can't ever get the facts of the issues correct? The warrantless wire taps...

Further, the act allowed agents to set up "roving wire taps," which let authorities monitor the communications of terrorist suspects who use different cell phones without requiring they first obtain separate authorizations to tap each phone.

And the act allows Internet providers to help law enforcement officials trace threatening e-mails without risking a lawsuit, Bush said.

Bush noted that Congress oversees the application of the act, and he said he would soon name five people to serve on a federal board created by Congress to ensure that Americans' privacy and civil liberties are respected.

"Sen. Dianne Feinstein worked with civil rights groups to monitor the use of the Patriot Act; here's what she said: 'We've scrubbed the area, and I have no reported abuses,'" Bush said.

"Remember that the next time you hear someone make an unfair criticism of this important, good law."

The Democrat from California did indeed make that comment about a year ago, after the American Civil Liberties Union approached her for support in opposing the act, said Howard Gantman, a spokesman for Feinstein.


You don't get much more liberal than Feinstein...


http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/09/bush.patriot/index.html

YOU MUST BE A SUSPECTED TERRORIST TO BE WARRENTLESSLY TAPPED! Get it yet? It is in the bill. It is put in place because you can't get warrants quickly enough for these throw away cell phones..

And please... libs defend the Constitution? Is that why you want the "fairness doctrine" to end free speech and a ban on guns to end the second amendment?

Get a clue.

I'll respond with out the rediculous assumptions if that is OK. And to satisfy your curiosity I am not a shill nor do I support pimps. How will the privacy issue be addressed? The request will be made for a proceedure and now, a government agent will approve or dissaprove of the proceedure... huh? similar to an insurance adjuster now days. Oh.. except now that request will be in your own government file. Until you can show me ANY government program that has stayed within it's budget or social program that doesn't claim to need more money to run properly how on earth do you think this is going to cost less? And when the system is stretched.. do you think you will get service for the little things?

Here is the real concern. Who is going to manufacture existing medicines at the price the government would be willing to spend for them? Who is going to research new medicines when there is no money in it? Who is going to come up with new medical proceedures when it does not pay..

to be in the medical field. Who is going to be our future doctors and go through the endless schooling to only earn a government salary?

Who do you think comes up with all these medical advances we have? Of course other countries may appear to be better off. They are not fronting the cost of new medical proceedures and new drugs. They only benefit from others hard work. 80% of new proceedures and drugs on the market come from the US.... who do you think pays for this?

It costs litereally millions to research a new drug or create new proceedures. That all goes away when it is no longer profitable to do the work.

And yes, this is what companies do. they make money. They employ thousands.

I am for some type of health care reform, but you must be smart in looking at the whole picture. We don't get free power just because we need it. And those companies earn profits for their services. The benefits and performance in the private sector will always do better.

You seem to be against those in the service sector or insurance. I bet you have no problem with insurance when it pays out a big claim for you. My daughter aspirated 3 peanuts when she was 2. The bill came to $73,000.00 for the advanced proceedures that saved my daughters life. I paid my $100.00 copay and I pay my $600.00 a month premium. Was insurance worth it? You bet. It was the specialists that saved her life. The doctor in the emergency room sent us home with a bogus diagnosis. You get what you pay for. A government program WILL deplete our good doctors, or they will just opt to stay in the private sector anyhow. Then you will have to do what you are forced to do with the current government health care program. Get a supplimental insurance policy to make up for what the government can't provide.

There is much more to it than just handing everyone free health care. If you get something free that doesn't work... it just litters your house.

Thanks Bert!

Answer 1

The thought of dissidents being tapped really scares them.

As for health care, they'll sacrifice all rights to gain something they perceive as being 'free.'

If the government gave them a free bag of groceries, they'd let the CIA move in with them, too.

Answer 2

And you dont think privacy issues can be addressed? Why are you really against National Healthcare for the US? Are you a shill for Health Insurance companies?

Why are Health insurance adjustors allowed to make medical decisions about your health (what medicines you should take, what operations you can have) when THEY are not doctors and have not taken the Hyppocratic Oath? Where is your outrage over THEIR ability to usurp "the doctor/patient privilidge"?

And do you think in a battle for health for its customers or profits for the company, Health would ever win over profits? Only way for Health to ever win that battle is to make the industry NON PROFIT.

How about we do the SAME thing we do now, but we take a FOR PROFIT insurance company out of the equation and insert a NON PROFIT Government Agency in its place? Then for about 20% what it costs you in Health Insurance premiums NOW, you pay in Health ins. to the gov. Once you aren't paying for all those Insurance CEOs to get hundred million dollar bonuses, how much do you think that XRay or that prescription will ACTUALLY cost?

Do you also defend Pimps? Health Insurance is to the Healthcare Industry what Pimps Are to Prostitution: They add nothing, they just skim off the profits for themselves, meaning then, since HEALTHCARE in the US is a for-profit industry as well, they have to raise prices yet again to advance THEIR bottom line.

I believe THAT's "what is up with that".

Answer 3

The government already has access to our medial records.
National Security and Intelligence Activities Of Protective Services. We may disclose your health information to authorized federal officials who are conducting national security and intelligence activities or providing protective services to the President or other important officials.

These notices have heightened the growing public concern over the privacy of medical records and made it plain that the recent ""Medical Privacy"" rules - enacted under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) - offer patients far less protection than the Federal Government promises.

Answer 4

Universal health care deals with flow of money.. not with patient doctor confidentiality.. we would be no more or less secure than we already are in that aspect.

And as for wiretapping.. we aren't willing to sacrifice the Constitution in the name of personal safety.. especially when there are other ways to keep us safe that don't contradict the constitution.


Nothing is defined in the Patriot Act.. and therefor can be definied as the President sees fit (which is a bad thing). Plus what happened to innocent until proven guilty? Or is suspected good enough to be convicted these days?

Answer 5

Although I'm a liberal I'm not in favor of a big government health care plan. I just want the government to provide a BASIC health care package for those in our country who can't afford health care.

That means well-child care, vaccinations, emergency treatment, basic dental care, etc. No heart-lung transplants, no "experimental" treatments, no cosmetic surgery, etc. Just basic health care for those who don't have anything else.

Answer 6

Cuba taps the phones of suspected terrorists and the people they talk to, and the people they talk to, and the people they talk to.......
the NAZIs did it
the KGB did it
and just about every fascist that has every lived has done it, and every one that will live will attempt to do it.

and NO ONE is against tapping the phone of suspected terrorists; however, there is a problem with a phone tapping program that lacks any kind of meaningful oversight. Funny how your type had a problem with it when Clinton tried to do it, and it was declared unconstitutional, and now an unconstitutional program is ok because Bush is doing it.

When you turn off your radio, and start reading the universal health care proposals, you will find every suggestion is government subsidy of health insurance provided by private insurance carriers, like a big group health insurance policy, that doesn't require handing your medical history over to the government. Most proposals also suggest tax incentives for businesses to upgrade or offer health insurance to their employers. why would Republicans be opposed to that? Why? because they listen to too many spin jockies misleading them into thinking universal health care menas something it does not.

If your phone was tapped right now, how would you know?

Answer 7

Absolutely not! Liberals have the best plan for America!

Answer 8

Good Analogy

Answer 9

Not all democrats are against wire tapping. Hillary has used it against politcal oppents for decades.
The only thing democrats are against is Liberty. They for anything that limmits it.

Answer 10

If I choose to give my psersonal information to a doctor to get medical care, it is my choice and I am informed under HIPAA guidelines when that information will be shared with others. Illegal wiretapping is done without the person's knowledge.