Are Any Of You On The Left Honest Enough To To See The Issue Of Religion This Way ?

Question

Let's try sticking to the point and try being 'real' or honest on this one thank you .

My religion - Christianity , says that we should honor our parents . That we should not kill or steal . That we shouldn't lie or lust after things of which are not ours etc.

The left says they don't want religion 'shoved down their throats' (a most ridiculous statement IMO) . But I digress . The left will also say that it's wrong to insult people of a religion .
So far , just facts that I don't think anyone would dispute .

OK , now can the left understand that it's a monumental insult to force our kids to read books like "Heather Has Two Mommies' and all the other books like that ?
And that Christians see the forced 'education' of books like that to be "Shoving YOUR ideology down our throats' ?. . . . . Or is it that only non-religious people can make the claim of 'Shoving an ideology down our throats' ? And Christians aren't EQUAL ?

It IS POLITICAL for many reasons but primarily because it's the Democrats who want religion removed and kept out of schools and the Republicans would never take that stand . Face it Dems , you bought it , you own it .

"WHAT DOES HEATHER HAS TWO MOMMIES HAVE TO DO WITH RELIGION" . . . are you kidding me ? Is that the problem. . . you just don't understand what God said in the Bible ? God said the union of a man and a woman is sacred . And amongst other things , He called homosexuality = Debauchery . I don't go around ever bashing gays . EVER . But the truth is the truth . God DID say that .

Leslie - You completely misunderstood and misJUDGED my question .

Answer 1

I didn't even read the responses so I wouldn't get sidetracked by the inconsistencies I'm sure I'll find. So, excuse me if I repeat the sentiments of other responders:

Take the sex education issue, a political question due to the role of government in our education system. It is now part of the required curriculum to teach homosexuality awareness at the 8th grade level. The curriculum is justified by lumping it into tolerance of different abilities, ethnicities, and so on. They mean well, but miss a critical oversight due to their agenda. That is, that we are born how we are, and that it is inherent for children to accept that is how we are (created) genetically designed. However, while scientifically correct on gender, race, developmental abilities and so on, it is only a popular assumption, not a proven fact, that people are genetically encoded with their sexual preference variations. It actually flies in the face of another curriculum hot topic - evolution (survival of the fittest would preclude tolerance for only non-procreative sex). So, as much as many want to believe that environmental circumstances have nothing to do with one's sexual orientation (to which there actually is much effort to the hush the evidence supporting), it’s not scientifically proven (just like intelligent design). This non-scientific assumption, then leads them to push an agenda that we all need to get over our "intolerance" so that we can teach the 8th grader that all forms of love are healthy as long as it feels good.

So, this is where it becomes a religious issue. While I will not debate that all people should be treated with respect, I also find many clear-cut directives from my religion that some of the things defined by the world as healthy are not spiritually “kosher”. A similar issue would be for those who are Muslim, it's still not okay to eat pork, even though the food industry has solved the unclean issues that existed when the original laws were given to their people. But!!! ...schools are now revising their offered menus to respect the faith that finds pork offensive. I hope people of all political ideologies can see the inconsistency of faith tolerance being applied here, regardless of how they feel about the topic itself.

Another good question, Earnest!

Answer 2

Well, assume that you knew before you asked this question...you would be barraged with the "tolerant left"...telling you how intolerant Christians are...a no brainier...

School should be for usable knowledge for understanding language....numbers...history...etc....not just the liberal perception on family "values"
....talk about my way or the highway....freaking hypocrites....and so delusional as to be pitied.

As with most people I have several gay friends.....three of which I was very close to.

1. Male....committed suicide...not sure if over homosexuality...but this guy was very well received by all members of society...never knew of him being depressed....never officially came out of the closet so I don't know his feeling as to nature/nurture.

2. Female....would readily admit that her abusive father drove her into the arms of woman....never believed she was born that way.

3. More bi than gay....just loved sex and would have it with just about anyone willing. Although she had long standing relationships with both sexes, seemed to like sex with woman more than men until she received Christ.

What point am I trying to make....Being gay from birth is a very convenient finding....but that notwithstanding....some are born with addictive personality....no excuse for meth addicts.....some are born with tendencies toward hot temperedness.....no excuse for murder....some are born with elevated libidos.....no excuse for rape....although given enough time, I am sure some ACLU lawyer will see that they become excuses.

Besides, I have never understood how a sexual orientation, can be covered under minority status....if I were a minority based on race, I think I would be offended.

Now that I have vented....you are correct...it should NOT be shoved down my throat...you don't want your child taught my morals...I don't want my child taught yours...let stick to reading writing and "rithmatic"

Answer 3

From adventure, it form of looks like it the be certain who's the main dominant, or has the main powerful opinion who chooses which faith their new child will persist with. no remember if this is nice or incorrect, it happens. in case you're asking me in my view, i could basically actually answer you via asserting that i does not marry somebody from a distinctive faith, as i understand that it could convey a lot conflict (except the two companions are actually not in all probability dedicated to their faith). whether the two mum and dad have been of the comparable faith and have been the two very commited and robust of their ideals, you nevertheless can no longer presume that the youngster will persist with that faith as they replace into their teenage years. i understand many that have not. i'm a Christian (yet wasn't as quickly as we've been first married), my husband isn't (in spite of the incontrovertible fact that he says he believes in God). My infants do no longer bypass to church for all time with me, so I usually bypass on my own. They do believe in God additionally and we've time at living house the place I pray with them and coach them regarding the Christian faith. I could permit my infants come to a sort for themselves, i'm no longer able to rigidity them to do something they do no longer opt to do. i understand many have who've tried to try this, the effect is that many are completely became off faith altogether. as with every my kin, i will basically desire, believe and pray that by way of my endurance, love and faith,besides as God's grace that at some point they are going to pick to be Christian's, if that's what they actually need.

Answer 4

You are right. This is offensive and so is handing birth control to 11-year-olds. These are things that are against my religion. These are things that adults over 18 have the right to pursue whether or not I agree. These are NOT choices for children and do not need to be pushed on children who have no authority to make these decisions in their lives. They are not considered responsible enough to vote and live without adult guidance by our government.

As a parent who is involved in this type of thing you can begin by writing or going to the school's principal, you must say that this is against your religion and they cannot make your child do the assignment or participate at all in it. This was done by my sister when Halloween became the biggest holiday in the school because, of course, Christmas is now just winter break.

They cannot force our children to read these books or take the pill. Legally. As a parent you do have rights in regards to your religious freedom, just as every other religious group that has come to our country and seeks to keep things away from their children that is against their religion.

If your principal denies you that right, you can then go to a lawyer and sue the snot out of that government run school. I would probably go to the school board next, before the lawyer, but that's just me.

As of right now in this country, I have the right to raise my children with whatever religion or nonreligion I see fit. If what the school teaches offends me, I can have my child removed from the classroom during these studies and NOT failed but given another assignment.

The actual words of AMENDMENT I include:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Congress shall make no law ... the free exercise thereof.
Public schools are just a form of government control over our society. Yeah, I went to one, too.

Unless this is brought before a local court in suit and taken to the Supreme Court, a decisive country-wide ruling cannot be made by our Supreme Court.

But I am also not left, dem, or lib and I kinda didn't answer the question but gave the answer to those who would wish to change the circumstances their children are forced to endure by those who do NOT have final responsibility for them.

Answer 5

I can see what you are saying....and it comes down to this...

If we truly have a separation of Church and State...then the answer is as simple as this....REMOVE RELIGION FROM ALL SCHOOLS....all references to 'marriage' must be removed...and so must the civil unions due to the fact that those in civil unions believe they are married. Marriage is a Sacrament of the Church....not something done by a Justice of the Peace.

Books in school are supposed to enlighten children to the WORLD OF LITERATURE.....not the world as it appears today. 'Heather Has Two Mommies' should NOT be in any school. And if it is...well...you better get some books that cover the Sacrament of Marriage from ALL beliefs.

I would NEVER 'shove' my religion down anyone's throat...I believe that everyone's individual beliefs are private between themselves and what they believe, whether it be God, Buddha, etc., or nothing at all.

Answer 6

I'm not very religious but I still see your points. But I think there is a space in the middle of "shoving religion down throats" and "insulting religion". I don't do or agree with those.

Even if people aren't Christian (like me) I think they should still be mature enough to admit that Christianity is a GREAT way of living and that the bible is the best book to live by if you want to have a happy life. Even though people that try to force it can be annoying, it is still a good feeling knowing that they truly are trying to help people and want to make a difference in the world.

Answer 7

No I cant see that, and i am a Christian.

The idea that as Christians we cannot or shouldn't read books or be informed about other lifestyles is ridiculous. My attitude is the more my children know about what is out there the better for them in the long run. Reading about the fact that there are homosexuals in the world can prepare you for your encounter with them, it doesn't turn you into one and it doesn't do anything to diminish your faith in God. The idea of being a christian is to lead by example and not to judge others. God has that job, not us.

The question is can someone who feels they are "Right" ever accept the fact that they are wrong? Ignorance is not bliss, children should know what is in the world and what they will encounter, they should read books about other lifestyles, they should take sex education courses, they should learn about the theory of evolution - NONE of this makes them less Christian but does make them more well rounded intelligent people who will be able to spread the word of God to others.

Education is a tool, it is not shoving something down our throats - you can read a book, understand it, write a paper on it, and still maintain your beliefs.

Answer 8

I do not see the connection between teaching ancient middle Eastern mythology as fact, and making sure children are aware of and tolerant of diversity.
So this is not a question of honesty (nice loaded question) but of a mistaken premise.
You can teach your children to hate in the name of god - but that does not mean that they should not learn the facts - that there are alternative lifestyles out there that our laws consider valid and legal.

Answer 9

I don't think that any child should be forced to read something the parents don't approve of. However, my child will be reading books about all different issues, primarily because I want my daughter to be well educated and aware of the world. That doesn't mean that your child needs to read those books; it is not my decision. On the same token, it is not your decision what my child reads.

Christians and those who aren't will always be arguing as to who is more guilty of shoving things down others throats. It really depends on which side of the fence you are on as to who you believe is guilty. My opinion: Both are.

Answer 10

I am neither a Christian nor an athiest, nor am I from the left politically. Statements such as we should honor our parents . That we should not kill or steal . That we shouldn't lie or lust after things of which are not ours etc. ... are simply common sense truisms that no thinkng, caring person would disagree with, regardless of their religious or political affiliation.

The last part of your rant is so very typical of the intolerant, judgemental Christian movement. If you and your Christian brothers are so put out by the education your children are receiving in our public schools, I strongly suggest you exercise your power of boycott and put your children in Christian schools... Problem solved!! Then the only ideology being forced upon your children will be the narrow, judgemental Christian one. AND then, the rest of the world will be left in peace to go their own way.