No dobut Joe Torre is probably one of the best coaches in baseball. But I think he has no class for calling a $5million dollar per year salary plus $3 million more based on performance an "insult." How much money do people need these days to be satisfied with things? There's people that would love to manage the Yankees for free if they had the oportunity. I've totally lost respect for him. Am I the only one?
2007-10-21 20:51:32 · 14 answers · asked by bananas4breakfast14 2 in Sports ➔ Baseball
Yeah, but this is like being paid $100 dollars for a job that most people get paid one cent for. Who cares about what your neighbor gets paid. Why can a person be statisfied with 6million but not with 5 million. Who care? You'd still be filthy rich. I'd say that's objective enough.
2007-10-21 21:04:05 · update #1
The salary is ridiculous, that's for sure. But it's less offensively ridiculous than what a lot of the players (in ALL pro sports) are making! They're all overpaid.
Torre made the right decision. If your boss announced to the world that you were going to be fired one day, and then said "well, ok...we'll give you one more chance, but we're not going to pay you as much" -- what would your answer be? Mine would be the same as Torre's. I'd be insulted, and I'd leave.
2007-10-22 03:13:04 · answer #1 · answered by Edik 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
When did he call it an insult? I missed that.
Most of the sportswriters said it was an insult.
I don't think he was really complaining, he was answering reporters' questions as to why he didn't take the contract. He said he wasn't happy with the terms of the contract, specifically the performance-based incentives.
Most people in New York think he did the right thing. I don't think it was about the money so much as the terms of the contract. I don't really think anyone would manage the Yankees for free. They wouldn't have the respect of the players, the other coaches or really much of anyone if they did it for free.
Joe Torre's record speaks for itself - yes, they lost in the playoffs the last few years but how many teams can say they even got to the playoffs that many times. In the end, he can't pick up a bat or a ball and go out there and play for them. The players failed this year, not Torre. He deserved a better contract. We will miss him in New York but he did what he needed to do.
He's not a rich brat, by the way. He's very down to earth. He mentioned how his wife told him to go clean out the garage. He's also a two-time cancer survivor who values life and gives a lot of his time back to charity, particulary his charity against domestic violence. So he's not all about money.
2007-10-22 05:04:37 · answer #2 · answered by truelori 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Quite probably you're the only one.
1.) It's 'manager' not coach. Don Mattingly is a coach.
2.) Money was not an issue at all either for Torre or the Yankees.
3.) The offer was a designed insult. Torre didn't complain. He essentially said 'P--- on it', which he should have done.
4.) A lot of us here wouldn't work for George Steinbrenner for 10 million dollars, much less for free.
2007-10-22 10:17:29 · answer #3 · answered by Sarrafzedehkhoee 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
IT IS obviuous that you know nothing regarding the Yankee and Torre saga....Torre was offered 5 million for one year 3 million on incentives ie winning in the playoffs and world series...Torre walked away from that deal and if you listened to or read about the press conference that took place on Friday money was not the issue...The issue was trust and condfidence....
Joe Torre does not need money to win in the playoffs which in most Yankee executives mind is the BaseBall Season his record speaks for itself..TO offer the best manager this club as had since Joe McCarthy and Casey Stengel what they did was an insult
What he did need was pitching....Great Pitching From his starters to the middle relief, set up men to closer!!! Then he needed the Bats to wake up and his defense to make the key plays...IE The Yankee captian Mr. November Derek Jeter SUCKED THE ENITRE CLEVLAND SERIES!!!!! The Press wont say that espn wont nor will any sports talk radio show!! They all jump on A-ROD not that he did any better but JETER SUCKED the entire Team SUCKED that is why they loss....That is not why Joe Torre lost his job...Randy Levine the Yankees presidnent was the man responsabile for Torre exit they the Yankees made the offer that Torre had to choice to refuse it!!! IF I WAS "THE BOSS" HE WOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED ALONG TIME AGO!!! HE that he and the rest of the Yankees staff main job is to win and win WORLD SERIES well Mr. Levine we are waiting???? YOu have won one since being hired as Yankee Presidnet in 2000 Torre already had 3 to his name and in 1996 Joe Torre was earning FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS....HE GOT TO BECOME THE HIGHEST PAID MANAGER IN MLB BASED ON HIS PERFORMACE DURING THE PREVIOUS SEASONS!!!! The Yankee Brass did not want this situation to be on there conscience so they did what they did...BLACKBALLED TORRE OUT THE DOOR!!!
2007-10-22 08:43:36 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
It the message behind the offer. It's about respect. He was asked to take a large salary cut, in a one year deal. And then there were incentive bonuses, as if he needed to be prodded to do a better job.
EDIT: In a story
Scott Boras, the agent for Yankees star Alex Rodriguez, said players would have seen an acceptance by Torre as a sign of weakness.
"It is difficult, near impossible, to accept a salary cut," Boras said. "Successful people can afford their principles. They understand if they accept the position, there is a great risk the message to all under him is dissatisfaction."
2007-10-22 04:29:55 · answer #5 · answered by DaM 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I think you are missing his point. Joe loves NY ,the players and the fans. Even management. He is insulted not at the money offered but rather the way it was offered.
Joe understands better than anyone, that as a Yankee coach comes unreal expectations to win the world series.
He appreciates all that NY fans and the Mgmt have done for him and his career.
If he accepted that offer he would in effect be admitting he cannot manage or motivate players,coaches or worse himself
Do you or anyone who calls themself a loyal yankee fan really believe that Joe his staff or players lost due to motovation???
The truth is that the yankees are very talented as a team. unfortunatly they are not as great as their collective salaries would have us believe. They simply were beaten because they arent the best team.
Not from lack of coaching!!!
Bottom line : If you did your job BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE! and with PASSION/ then, mgmt said that stock is dropping/ ...
and singled you out on national TV and all media sources
blaming your motivation as the reason... and then reducing your salary as the right way to remotivate you....hmmmm
see you at the head of unemployment line...Think it through
2007-10-22 04:21:35 · answer #6 · answered by princecharmn02 1 · 4⤊ 0⤋
You obviously don't know much about baseball(he's a manager) and the history of the Yankees and Steirnbrenner's dealing with managers and the media. Also, by your quote "I'd say that's objective enough." meaning only do it for the money is rather immature. Torre has enough money since he's been a player and manager since the early 1960's. he was dissed by the yankee organization(except Cashman) so whats's the sense in working there if you are not wanted.
2007-10-22 08:17:26 · answer #7 · answered by Kelly P 4 · 0⤊ 1⤋
You have to forget the dollars and look at it objectively.
If someone offered me $100 an hour for what I normally charge $200 an hour for... I'd hardly accept. Is it wrong for Joe Torre to decline a pay cut? I don't think so...
2007-10-22 03:57:45 · answer #8 · answered by [z]ther 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Joe Torre was way overpaid. He did not have to do any major decision making, a baseball manager rearely has to these days, especially in the AL. The star studded Yankee line up will take care of it. The owners decided it was time to reduce it to reasonable levels. I believe Tony LaRussa and even the eccentric Ozzie Guillen do a better job than Torre and they get pay one fifth of Joe.
2007-10-22 04:39:48 · answer #9 · answered by Existentialist_Guru 5 · 1⤊ 3⤋
they essentially downgraded his pay since you go up over time if you look at history
he's not complaining about the money itself, just the message behind it, which is you aint worth what we though you were
which is BS cause managers dont have that much of an effect. there is some, but you talk about top level managers and they are easily interchangable
way too much credit when their team wins and WAY too much blame/firings when their team loses. its the players that ultimately decide it . . .
2007-10-22 05:56:01 · answer #10 · answered by bourgoise_10o 5 · 1⤊ 1⤋