Armenian genocide, the things between Turks and Greeks...So how about PKK?what do you really think about that?

Question

doesnt turks have the same blood and bones and meat...
everything will be solved when we give the land they want?
istanbul and izmir and mediterrenean coasts to Greece,
Blacksea region to Pontus,
Some of east to Armenians,
and Southeasts to Kurds...

what will happen then? really peace? huh...
maybe i am too stupid but my brain is not getting this...

To No More:
Do you know when the Republic of Turkey established?
i just asked this question up to the hypocracy in the world... this is for both for the governors in my country and also in other countries...

No body is happy what happened at past about those war years and millions of people died... so whats the point still dictating those things again and again?

why should i have to be judged for the things happened before i was born? why it should affect my future?

To reifguy:

how can you talk about genocide, when there is world war? dont you remember in Gallipoli also near half million Turks were killed too? if they are soldier that means they are killed? how about what UK have done bringing people from the end of world australia new zeland and let them to die? It was WORLD WAR...

nobody is happy for what was done... during the events happened in 1915 also ottoman citizens died too, by armenians, if the Turkish government says, yeah we are sorry for the wrong decisions made at the history and also for their results?
do you think other governments will do the same?

why i asked this question here is just this HYPOCRACY in this world... if PKK says that they are fighting for free kurdistan today, if it solved, tomorrow they will say we are now fighting for armenians... this has no end...

To dear Dimitris:

First of all, i want to ask you what is "Megalo Idea"...
and what was that crissis for a rock on Aegean Sea between the years 94-96...
i dont think the politicians are thinking on peace, but always we choose the same brains...

secondly, i totally admit that i asked the question in a wrong way...i was furious one of the people killed by last attack was my relative...

i admit that we have stupid politicians and i am sick of that... are you that couraged to admit for yourself aswell? they are everywhere...

i have no doubts about the warmth of the public of greece i was there two weeks ago...

i am ok with that in the past the leaders of Turks or ottomans or seljuks made mistakes... but i dont think we are the only ones who makes mistakes...

Answer 1

Several nations on Earth have committed genocide, not just the Turks. They shouldn't be singled out for their actions 100 years ago.

Americans are guilty too....our forefathers committed genocide against the Indians.

Answer 2

Dear,
I am relay surprised. I think that you forget somethings.
As a Greek let me answer only to one part of your question.
- "Casus beli" (as for territorial waters in the Aegean sea).
- The gray zones.
- The violation of the Greek FIR.
- The statement, that the Greek islands in the east Aegean, are into Turkish territorial waters etc, etc, etc....
...don't belong to our terminology.
So, what about are you talking? Who told you that Greece want your coasts and your cities?
Look man. Greece, is a modern, serious and hopeful country which makes hard efforts to keep the stability around the region. Unfortunately, a lot of narrow-mind of our neigh boors prevent these efforts by looking in the past and not to the future. That's life.
Anyways, as wise people says, if you seed winds you will reap storms! Remember that proverb.

EDIT:
1. In your first comment I would like to say that the "Megali Idea" is sth like "Great Albania", "Great Bulgaria", "Muslim Bow", or "Jihad of toung or of the hand or of the sword" against everything which does not satisfiy someone. People (included politicians) who are "stucked", are using those. Not me. And believe me they will determine the future of our children.
As for that "crissis" for a rock on Aegean Sea between on Jan 1996...please don't open that issue. Open a map and If you accept the current borders and the international treaties, you will realize what happened. I agree that happened a fake "crisis" because of wrong handlings of both sides. But remeber that "Rocks" like islands, belongs to someone...Don't look the distance. For example my "Rock" (Samos) is the closest in Turkey (1200 m) and it is Greek..or not?

2. I am very sorry about the loss of your relative...

3. Finally it doesn't need so much brain and courage to admit that all politician who are thinking like that are stupid.

Answer 3

Look, I am a historian (ancient hist. 2005, UC Berkeley), so I know something of the origins of the Turks and their settlement in the Near East and Europe.

The Turkic peoples were the largest ethnic group in north Asia and still are, followed by the Mongol-related tribes and the Iranian/Aryan peoples

The Turks migrated into the Middle East just prior to the crusades, and this movement in fact inspired those horrible wars because the Turks of the Seljuk empire 1) Blocked christian Europe from access to the "Holy Land"
2)Blocked the important trade between the Far East and Europe (spices, porcliens, silk, etc.)
With the eventual failure of thre bloody crusades, the Turks also inspired the Age of Discovery by again deneying access by European traders to the east.
In the mean time, the really nasty Seljuk Empire (it was the Seljuks that exterminated the Calipate of Bagdad) was replaced by the Ottoman Empire, a worse bunch by far!
They attacked Europe, Crushed the last of the Eastern Roman Empire at Constantinople in 1453, instituted maritime warfare in the Mediterranean agaist the rising trading powers of Greece, Genoa, Venice, and Florence.
They attacked Vienna and were barely pushed back and were hated for their totally Moslem practice of conversion by the sword,
During the next 500 years, the Turks commited genocide against the Armenians, Kurds, and others, while repressing, looting, and raping the peoples of the Middle East and taking the Caliphate for themselves until Attaturk at the end of WW I.
The turks were and still hated by peoples from across their former empire.
I see no end to this animosity against Turkey anytime in the forseeable future.
I believe you are also asking if the Turks return different places and make reparations, will they finally recieve the goodwill of the rest of the region?
This will never ever happen. No more so than modern American whites will ever give the so called "reparations" to American black people for the percieved "sins" of slavery commited by a small number of wealthy whites 150 years ago.
Peace for the Turks? Maybe. Forgiveness by all of those they brutally ruled for 500 years? No way.

Answer 4

When even a 'historian' talks about brutal opression, what is there to say? It seems so many people have prejudices against Turks. How come all those ethnic groups still speak their native languages and have preserved their cultures and religions if the Turks applied so much opression and genocide???
Apart from a few fanatic Greeks, I don't believe Greek people 'want' any part of Turkey, nor do they believe in such a dream. As for Armenians and Kurds, they can keep on dreaming about getting 5cms. of land from Turkey.
What they don't realize (or cannot realize) is that, the more they attack, the more Turks hate them. Their attacks (verbal or armed) only help increase the gap between peoples. They are not serving peace and understanding at all.

edit. Chinagirl, you should be the least to criticise Turkey. Tell us how many Uygur Turks the Chinese have killed, and how they are denied their basic human rights. You say you studied ancient history, but you claim to be an expert on later periods. I wonder what your sources were!

Answer 5

“doesnt turks have the same blood and bones and meat”
Well, I ask the same question but changing the word “turks” to the onec who suffered from genocides carried on by turkish government. Can you answer this? What is the morality behinde this question? You think after raping and killing nations you are going to be loved! How stupid is this.

Answer 6

Armenia and Greece are not requesting land from Turkey. We just want peace and justice, and mutual respect, based on international resolutions and laws. And we do not show any agression or violence to Turkey. So don't confuse the issues.
I can't talk for the Kurds, because I don't know the issue well enough, but it is true what everyone says, violence causes violence. If Turkey sits down to talk with the Kurds, with real intention to find a solution even if that means a sacrifice must be made, I am sure a solution can be reached. But usually Turkey, as other states, not just Turkey, are not willing to give anything in the negociations. It can't work like this. If I were Turkey, since Iraq is already rather screwed up, instead of adding to the problem by invading it, I would help the Kurds to establish a functional quasi-autonomous state of theirs in North Iraq, and make sure they would be satisfied there, so that they wouldn't want anything else from me. But I'd have to give them something to be satisfied, I don't know what that would be.

Answer 7

I want to add something to my compatriot and dear friend Tolia.
Tolia mou, unfortunately, our eastern neaighbours, i was believeng them also objective,as you saw they dont lose the chance to support all those other neighbours who say that we sell children in Greece, or who use the name Macedonia.
And also to joke with the name Macedonia making reference to Iskender Kebab..
You are from Thessaloniki,and you know what i mean.
We dont say that the responsible are the actual people,but if you see aggression in questions by both parts, means that something has been said and people defend their countries.
It is not putting the blame on anyone, as you defend yours, the greeks we defend ours.
Using the name of Constantinopolis, doesnt mean that we took the army and we came there.In greek it is Constantinopolis, because the city was formed by Constantinos, unfortunately this is the story we cant change it.
In this case why dont you change Militos,Antalya,Didima, Efesos?

Answer 8

I understand your frustration,

those are difficult times for Turkey, many matters and problems came up at same time ..
I know how it feels, how it is when you face this kind of situation, when people want to take your country away..

We (Greeks)have the same problems with Bulgarians, Albanians (in the past), Fyrom (the name issue), and Turkey (Aegean)
People cant live together unless there is a will to do so

and dont worry, we dont want Istanbul or Izmir or coasts back!we respect the status quo.
We made a mistake and loose them!No one to blame-

But through centuries the lands have always been changing hands, and they ll as long as humanity exists!

as for PKK, i think that violence can ONLY cause violence, and this is too sad..

i dont know if this makes any difference, but my concern and my thoughts are in Turkey now

Answer 9

I agree whole heartedly with Tolia, we all live on ONE PLANET there is no where else to go. If Humans can not get along we are doomed to destory not only ourselves but also this planet. May we all achieve world peace one day in the true sense of the word and not Hitler's version you know the one, A peace of Poland, A peace of France, A peace of Holland etc etc.

Answer 10

I wonder where the "historian" of this page got her information from (other then Berkley). I hope she isn't that prejudiced towards the Turks, as Anlarm has stated.