HARrRRRRY POTTTTTER?!?

Question

if you dont have to kill to get the elder wand then why does voldy kill snape?????? and how do fred and george find out the password to the marauders map? and if u say no to the first question then how did lord albus get the wand without killing grindelwald

Answer 1

The Elder Wand switches its allegiance when the previous owner is **defeated**, which doesn't automatically mean "killed." The sequence of switches was:

- Dumbledore defeats Grindelwald in 1945 - the wand sees Dumbledore as its master. We're not told the specifics of their final duel; just that Albus won and Grindelwald was left alive and was imprisoned for his crimes.

- Snape kills Dumbledore in 1997 - but wait!! Before that, Draco Malfoy disarmed Dumbledore. Because of the disarming, the wand sees Draco (not Snape) as its master, even though Draco never physically had possession of the wand.

- Harry takes Draco's wand from him at Malfoy Manor in 1998. Even though the Elder Wand wasn't involved in that particular fight, it knows that Draco was disarmed and that Harry did it; therefore, it now recognizes Harry as its master.

Voldemort has Snape killed because he's mistaken about the wand's notion of allegiance. Voldy thinks that killing the previous owner IS the key, so he thinks that Snape is the master. That's why he kills Snape, thinking that will make the wand switch its allegiance to him. But Snape never was the master.

As for Fred and George and the map, we're not told how they figured out how to work it. It might have been purely by accident, or maybe Filch (who confiscated the map some time before, and F&G stole it from him) was careless enough to have the password written down someplace. That would be a little out of character for Filch, but Muggles do that with computer passwords all the time, so it's not totally impossible.

Answer 2

You must defeat the owner to obtain the elder wand, because the elder wand is undefeatable. The easiest way to do this is the manually kill the owner, but you could also disarm them (which is what Harry does to Draco when Draco has his normal wand). Voldemort gets pleasure out of killing, so Snape's death was fun for him. Voldemort might not have realized that murder was not necessary, because he focuses so much on it. Fred and George find the password to the marauders map probably by testing a lot of phrases. They're quite clever, so I bet it didn't take long. Albus got the wand without killing Grindelwald because he disarmed him. He most likely weakened him so it was easier to disarm him. Dumbledore is a genius.

Answer 3

The history of the Elder Wand as seen in DH, is splattered with wizards gaining the wand by killing the owner. But as Ollivander tells Harry and Ron in the Shell Cottage, wand ownership is more subtle then that.

That is why Draco's wand works for Harry and Pettigrew's works for Ron: they physically disarmed the previous owners and gained the wands' allegiance. So Dumbledore, by defeating Grindelwald became it's master.

Voldemort's mistake was that he thought that Snape by killing Dumbledore has "won" the Wand. He did not know that Draco disarmed Dumbledore first and was the master of that wand until Harry overpowered Draco--as Harry explained to Voldemort.

As for the Marauder's Map, that question is not answered. I'd judge that it is a combination of the twins being very clever and the possibility of some sort of clue on the Map we don't know about.

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Answer 4

Voldemort believes you have to kill to get the elder wand. That is why Voldemort killed Snape.
With Dumbledore getting the wand it was because he beat Grindelwald. He disarmed him and the wand transferred to Dumbledore.
I think with the twins learning the password they just keep trying things over and over again. They are very smart even if they don't show it all the time.

Answer 5

The whole idea is to Defeat the holder of the wand to become it's master. You don't have to kill.
I guess Voldemort wouldn't consider it a defeat unless his opponent is dead. As to Fred and George - they got the map from Filch's office, but seeing that they were troublemakers just like the writers of the map, they would have probably had an easy time figuring out the miscievous magic behind the map - unlike snape, who was trying to approach it with authority.

Answer 6

Well I think Navigator has already answered the question about the Elder Wand, so check out his answer, anything I could say would just be repetitive. As for the map, JKR said that they probably just said it to be silly, and found out that the ragged old piece of parchment actually did something. I mean come on, its Gred and Feorge we're talking about, right?

Answer 7

you don't have to kill to get the elder wand,u just have to defeat.and do u seriously think voldemot knows any other way of defeating?wat would he do,disarm?just think about voldy using the *Expelliarmus* spell!
and when fred and george can figure out all the secret passageways of hogwarts,invent such cool stuff(like the extendable ears) and just drop out of skul in their 6th year in such a cool way,do u think the maps such a big deal for them?!?

Answer 8

well lord have kill him for the fun ...
and lord wont take chance if is not sure lets kill him...
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Fred and George found out eeeee.. good one,, except,, well nice one,,,

Answer 9

because hes a jerk the map belonged to fred and george they gave it to harry and im sure who ever gave it to them told them. huh????? i think you need to read slower all this is explained in the book read it again lol