Why is it Ok to deny the genocide of Christians Armenians and not Ok to deny the Holocaust?

Question

One happened less than 70 years ago and the other less than 100 years ago.

Now as many will project your hate and lies on me, I say bring it on. It is not OK to deny either. And to give in to Turkey and its threats is to give in to terrorism. These events happened and for those who will defend the act of denial are no deferent than those who deny the fact we can never compromise with evil as we will lose the backing of God and our souls.

Let me put this in to perspective for my fellow Republicans who are bowing down to Turkey. It is like the saying about the left. When two Lib’s’ walking past and see a man attacking a women they say “he needs help” Or to den this is like saying we can not win the war in Iraq with out the help of Turkey. To deny this is to go back to the days when we would help evil dictators on the basis of the lesser of two evils. Was this right then and is it now? NO. And when we claimed to go after the head of the snake or evil we had better make sure our own house is clean. And today it is not and the Jewish lobby is fighting this very evil act and denying the ties and training ground of the holocaust as Germany was in on this. One more thing about the fear tactics of our leaders, which is the lefts tactics to use fear to control us all. To say we can not win with out Turkey is saying we are weak which is what the left says every day and we need the world to defend us which is a lie.

Now for those on the left you want to make friends with Syria and Iran but not Turkey and they all Muslims that is will and want us dead and to trust any is pure blindness on our part. We must win the war and never compromise with any of them.

Now to give some quotes from our past great leaders.

After WW I former president Theodor Roosevelt berated Woodrow Wilson for his refusal to take action to stop the genocide, “ The Armenian massacre’ “ was the greatest crime of war, and the failure to act against Turkey is to condone it”. The Harvard College Library.

Today we see this happening all over again by surrendering our just and morals and gives us no right to fight any evil if we turn our head to one and attack another. This is called hypocrisy and to be a part of this evil!

USA ambassador Henry Morgenthau in a telegram July 16th 1915 “ A campaign of race extermination “ against the Armenians. National Archives, State Department

Turkey has fought to bury this black page of history and our leaders are dipping their hands in this blood of Christians today. I ask that every Republican and Democrat unite for once in this our history that is being made today. By sharing these facts and looking into them for your self’s. Than call the news media and politicians and tell them to support HR 106.

We do not want the blood of innocent people on our hands. For the right it is the belief in God and for the left it is your claim that you care.
Unite today and send a message to congress if they deny this they deny the Holocaust and both are wrong.

And tell Rush and Glenn beck not to sell out the USA and Gods word. To cave in to Turkey and bury this evil is to dip your hands and soul in the blood of innocent Christians and side with Islam that is to convert us all or enslave and kill us.

caldud1
you get it very good never sell out Christ did not in 40 days in the desrt.

wildman
I am not sure who you are working for but this I will tell you as you claim to be on the right and this you are on the wrong. Timing is not the issue it is about right and wrong. And to give in to any ones pressure is to admite what the left says every day in that we are too weak. You might be but I am not.

Answer 1

True believers in Jesus Christ should be supporting this non-binding legislation and ignoring the political damage that could potentially occur from it.

Morals are everything and I'm seeing a lot of so-called Christians on TV and radio selling out their morals for political expediency.

Answer 2

No one is denying the Armenian genocide. With a name like 'truth' you certainly have a way of twisting facts. What is being said is that damaging relations with Turkey is a more pressing matter than recognizing their past action as genocide. What is the harm in letting this go until we don't rely on Turkey, and then passing this resolution? The answer is none, but the Democratic congress finds it too opportune to pretend to care about recognizing genocide, especially when it can damage support for an ongoing war we are involved in.

"To deny this is to go back to the days when we would help evil dictators on the basis of the lesser of two evils. Was this right then and is it now? NO. And when we claimed to go after the head of the snake or evil we had better make sure our own house is clean."

lol, you are funny. Most of us voting for president do so on the basis of the lesser of two evils :) When confronted with all evils, I would say the wisest choice is to pick the least of all, if you must make a choice. And I've got news for you: considering what we did to blacks during slavery, and to native Americans when we first settled here, our house is not clean, not by any stretch of the imagination. Calling a 100 year old act genocide resolves nothing, those people are dead and gone and nothing brings them back. All it does is anger Turkey; that's all. Doesn't make the world a better place.

Answer 3

Did the U.S. ever pass a motion saying that we believe the Holocaust happened? We know that there was genocide in Turkey and the Holocaust did happen, we don't need a resolution passed in Congress. The Native American population went from 10 million to 2 million and I don't see the U.S. condemning itself. Passing a resolution on something that we already know that happened a century ago doesn't do anything as long as we recognize it as it is. There have been recent genocides that U.S. presidents have declared genocides; but what did that do? Those people still died because we didn't intervene and people are still dying in Darfur. If we condemn Turkey for something their ancestors did, then we should pay reparations to the descendants of African American slaves. Mike T didn't even mention that most of the opposition to the genocide declaration was coming from President Bush and the Republicans.

Answer 4

The thing about this that makes it even worse is that the Republicans aren't actually agreeing with Turkey and saying the genocide didn't happen, or wasn't really a genocide. What they're saying is that it is not politically expedient to say it right now. They are sacrificing doing the right thing in favor of doing the political thing.

Now, I'm not saying that the Democrats' action wasn't politically motivated, given the timing and expected result. But even though political, at least it was the right thing, in that it attempts to hold people accountable for their actions.

Answer 5

I don't know of anyone who is "denying" the Armenian massacre. I just don't understand people who think that something is only true if we have a congressional resolution deploring it. Do you only deplore those things that Congress tells you to deplore? Honestly!!

It seems odd that after nearly 100 years it is now essential that we do something about the genocide that occurred. This is a political ploy and nothing else, look at the sponsorship.

I personally deplore the actions of the Ottomans in this event. They were losing a war and decided to take out their frustrations on a defenseless people. It was terrible and disgusting and we need to always keep it in our hearts that the Holocaust was not the only instance of genocide (Rwana anyone?, how about the Native Americans?) in history. It is not clear, however, that the US as one of the greatest perpetrators of genocide ever should be the one to claim the moral high ground here. There was an Armenian diaspora but the Native Americans had no where to go.

Answer 6

Politics,pure and simple.We need Turkey,so Turkey can do no wrong and has never done any wrong.The logic is it happened so long ago,who cares.The only reason that the Holocaust is treated differently is because we Jews refuse to allow mankind to forget.The Armenians, unfortunately,didn't have the list of over achievers that the Jewish people possess,forgotten until now. I say it is time the world admits it watched another genocide and did,as usual,nothing.

Answer 7

"The House vote to label the century-old deaths of Armenians as genocide was in jeopardy Tuesday after several Democrats withdrew their support and sounded alarms it could cripple U.S. relations with Turkey."

The above is taken from the front page of Yahoo regarding Turkey and Iraq.

Democrats win the next election then either move out of America or build a bomb proof house. They will give in to terror in the name of "NICE" diplomatic relations.

Fight for your rights America. The Armenian people were the victims of a mass genocide and you shouldn't care what Turkey says about it. It's the equivalent of saying the Nazis didn't do what they did in WWII in case you can't get any of that bratwurst for a cheaper rate.

Sickening and another example of PC in the modern age destroying us all.

Answer 8

Is not speaking out about something the same as denying it?

Very few people are denying either -- and most of those accused of denying either are asking for more facts -- not really saying "it never happened".

As to denial in general -- it happens -- such is human nature. You can either get offended because someone is delusional, or you can ignore them for being delusional.

But every country -- including the US -- tries to deny the atrocities it has committed. How often do you hear people talking about the Korematsu decision and Japanese Internment camps? Or about the Trail of Tears and the attempted (or successful) genocide of hundreds of different native american tribes?

Every country commits atrocities -- and every country would rather not talk about them generations later. Is that denial?

Answer 9

Who is denying the slaughter of Armenians? Present day Turkey doesn't want to keep having their noses rubbed in it, but it wasn't present day Turkey, founded by Ataturk, who helped bury the Ottoman regime that WAS responsible for the genocide. I agree that Turkey should not be so thin-skinned about it, but things are what they are, and if insulting them is going to damage relations with an important ally over a piece of legislation that is symbolic only and does nothing to help those that died, it is foolishness, and dangerous foolishness at that.

Answer 10

Thank you for your passionate and laudible position, one I agree with completely. I've been answering questions on this and finding myself uncomfortably - and sadly - in the minority.

Morality is not a luxury to be indulged only when politically expedient.

Preach it, brother!

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JACOB W - This is not new. This resolution has been introduced time and again for decades now. I first learned of it as a young staffer on Capitol Hill in the early 1980s.

MIKE T - Right on!