My last question leads me to this question... Is something beyound logic possible?

Question

What could it possibly be and will I or anyone else ever come to know it or do I / else already know it? Clearly I do not but then again how well do I really know myself? If I am constantly learning things about myself that I did not know it stands to reason that I dont really know myself as well as I will in the future. But is that knowledge of myself in the future different then the knowledge of myself now or just expressed differently yet the same thing? Are any of these questions even logical?

Yes I was regarding a future where we have more specific knowledge of logic or whats beyound it.

Answer 1

Many things are beyond logic. This is the foundation of religion. Why are we here? What is the meaning of life? Why do good people suffer? What happens after we die?

Answer 2

Bugger. I think you're speaking of the future, or if the travelling of time is a possibility. Suppose that you could see into the future. Then the future is supposed to have already happened. But if you could change the future, then the future has also changed, and you have seen it change and so it has already happened. So, how is it that you can see and change something that has already happened? Sick little world, this world of future and present. Logic soap opera end.

Looping is the ultimate logical gate that can explain this. The feedback cycle from a test and change operation could seem logical but if it is already happened then how does the present's future change? If it IS already happenED. So likely you clearly seem to be regarding this as not life in the present but life in a futurity.

Much appreciated if you would inform me if I am correct in making that assumption.

Answer 3

There is something called Insight Meditation where you can sit and relax and focus on your breath letting thoughts pass through unattended and you may find the answer to some of your questions by letting your deep Inner Self respond - sometimes called Intuition.
When you practice often enough you can even ask questions just before the meditation and it is better in the beginning to use a timer clock starting with 10 - 15 minutes and increase eventually to 30 minutes.
The knowledge and understanding of yourself only changes as you develop and grow in your knowledge of and your connection to your environment and your relationship to others.

Answer 4

Given the fact that there is still so much about existence that we have yet to discover. I would surmise that there is a great deal that exists beyond what we know as logic at present. What the nature of this might be is beyond my understanding and I would very much like to be around when some of these things are encountered and explored.

Answer 5

I believe we all have the power of tapping into a state of knowing certain things that can't be taught. Like how does a dog know how to swim, things that we are born knowing. We sometimes just get over educated and that part of our brain goes into sleep mode.

Answer 6

If you check out "Logic for Dummies," Mark Zegarelli, there are some handy formulations and discussions of sentential logic, quantifier logic, three-valued logic (a live language, Aymara, is discussed by Umberto Eco in his "The Search for the Perfect Language"--Aymara is the only three-valued language used by regular people anywhere on the planet), multi-valued logic, fuzzy logic, Goedel's incompleteness theorem, etc.

You might enjoy reading "Extraordinary Knowing," by Elizabeth Mayer, Ph.D., which describes her journey from Stanford statistics psychologist to successfully, in desperation per a friend's recommendation, consulting a dowser to locate her daughter's valuable stolen harp, to contacts with Robert Jahn, Princeton researcher in quantum mechanics logic based experiments (PEAR), to SRI remote viewing, etc.

What may be beyond logic is what Kant noted in his contemporary Emmanuel Swedenborg--a type of psi which transcends ordinary physics. Stanford engineering professor Dr. William Tiller combined with a biology dept. colleague to develop very strict experiments into psi, which duplicate quantum physics' conditions per meditators, conditions that are otherwise created by mankind only with highly technical physics apparatus. Http://www.tiller.org is his website related to such studies, and "Psychoenergetic Science" is a book which describes how intention can move beyond logic.

"The Masters and Their Retreats," Mark Prophet, is an example of applying such psi intentionality toward out-of-body travel. "Entering the Circle" and "The Master of Lucid Dreams" are psychiatrist Olga Kharitidi's accounts of her helping design and experiment with an out-of-body-inducing apparatus in a Russian physics institute.

"Hope for the World: Spiritual Galvanoplasty," Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov, is a collection of talks he gave on knowing beyond 5-sense-based logic.

"Watch Your Dreams," Ann Ree Colton, discusses her research into finer energy planes, dream telepathy, and so forth.

Http://www.divinecosmos.com is David Wilcock's site, in which physics and spiritual awareness are blended. He is the subject of the interesting book, "The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce?", Free and Wilcock.

"The Field," Lynne McTaggart, is a popular introduction to recent biophysics which deals with transcendental logic, e.g. experiments in which chemical solutions' characteristics are transferred onto CDs and their influence is generated in another solution simply by playing the CD patterns into another neutral solution, etc.

Http://www.coasttocoastam.com has occasional guests who talk about their work in this beyond-logic area.

cordially,

j.

Answer 7

Oh yes.

I have talked to many stupid people in my life.

Trust me, they are beyond logic.

Answer 8

In a truly infinite Universe, all things are possible.

Doug

EDIT: ROTFLMSFAO!!!!!!!!!! Phoenix has the right of it ☺

Answer 9

when you have left logic far behind you, you will find Jesus.

in fact, you will never find Jesus until you have left logic far behind you.