Turkey is showing it true face. Muslims who think they can attack any one even the USA and Bush is caving why?

Question

Nobody has the right to judge Turkey like this," Erdogan said. "Those who dare confront an important country like Turkey will pay the price."

Bagis said Turkey should impose sanctions against Armenia because it supported the resolution.

"Turkey must impose sanctions against Armenia," Bagis said. "Turkey has already done a list of what and when it will do, and the prime minister has already given necessary orders."

The border between Turkey and Armenia is closed. But Turkey could cancel flights between Istanbul and Yerevan, as well as stopover flights to Armenia, and also prevent around 4,000 trucks from hauling goods to Armenia through neighboring Georgia.

http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/16-10-2007/98906-armenia_punishment-0

It is not OK to deny themurder of the Jews and yet it is OK to deny the murder of Christains!

Henry Morgenthau
American Ambassador to Constantinople
1913-1916



CHAPTER XXIV

THE MURDER OF A NATION

The destruction of the Armenian race in 1915 involved certain difficulties that had not impeded the operations of the Turks in the massacres of 1895 and other years. In these earlier periods the Armenian men had possessed little power or means of resistance. In those days Armenians had not been permitted to have military training, to serve in the Turkish army, or to possess arms. As I have already said, these discriminations were withdrawn when the revolutionists obtained the upper hand in 1908. Not only were the Christians now permitted to bear arms, but the authorities, in the full flush of their enthusiasm for freedom and equality, encouraged them to do so. In the early part of 1915, therefore, every Turkish city contained thousands of Armenians who had been trained as soldiers and who were supplied with rifles, pistols, and other weapons of defense. The operations at Van once more disclosed that these men could use their weapons to good advantage. It was thus apparent that an Armenian massacre this time would generally assume more the character of warfare than those wholesale butcheries of defenseless men and women which the Turks had always found so congenial. If this plan of murdering a race were to succeed, two preliminary steps would therefore have to be taken: it would be necessary to render all Armenian soldiers powerless and to deprive of their arms the Armenians in every city and town. Before Armenia could be slaughtered, Armenia must be made defenseless.

In the early part of 1915, the Armenian soldiers in the Turkish army were reduced to a new status. Up to that time most of them had been combatants, but now they were all stripped of their arms and transformed into workmen. Instead of serving their country as artillerymen and cavalrymen, these former soldiers now discovered that they had been transformed into road labourers and pack animals. Army supplies of all kinds were loaded on their backs, and, stumbling under the burdens and driven by the whips and bayonets of the Turks, they were forced to drag their weary bodies into the mountains of the Caucasus. Sometimes they would have to plough their way, burdened in this fashion, almost waist high through snow. They had to spend practically all their time in the open, sleeping on the bare ground---whenever the ceaseless prodding of their taskmasters gave them an occasional opportunity to sleep. They were given only scraps of food; if they fell sick they were left where they had dropped, their Turkish oppressors perhaps stopping long enough to rob them of all their possessions---even of their clothes. If any stragglers succeeded in reaching their destinations, they were not infrequently massacred. In many instances Armenian soldiers were disposed of in even more summary fashion, for it now became almost the general practice to shoot them in cold blood. In almost all cases the procedure was the same. Here and there squads of 50 or 100 men would be taken, bound together in groups of four, and then marched out to a secluded spot a short distance from the village. Suddenly the sound of rifle shots would fill the air, and the Turkish soldiers who had acted as the escort would sullenly return to camp. Those sent to bury the bodies would find them almost invariably stark naked, for, as usual, the Turks had stolen all their clothes. In cases that came to my attention, the murderers had added a refinement to their victims' sufferings by compelling them to dig their graves before being shot.

Let me relate a single episode which is contained in one of the reports of our consuls and which now forms part of the records of the American State Department. Early in July, 2,000 Armenian "amélés"---such is the Turkish word for soldiers who have been reduced to workmen---were sent from Harpoot to build roads. The Armenians in that town understood what this meant and pleaded with the Governor for mercy. But this official insisted that the men were not to be harmed, and he even called upon the German missionary, Mr. Ehemann, to quiet the panic, giving that gentleman his word of honour that the ex-soldiers would be protected. Mr. Ehemann believed the Governor and assuaged the popular fear. Yet practically every man of these 2,000 was massacred, and his body thrown into a cave. A few escaped, and it was from these that news of the massacre reached the world. A few days afterward another 2,000 soldiers were sent to Diarbekir. The only purpose of sending these men out in the open country was that they might be massacred. In order that they might have no strength to resist or to escape by flight, these poor creatures were systematically starved. Government agents went ahead on the road, notifying the Kurds that the caravan was approaching and ordering them to do their congenial duty. Not only did the Kurdish tribesmen pour down from the mountains upon this starved and weakened regiment, but the Kurdish women came with butcher's knives in order that they might gain that merit in Allah's eyes that comes from killing a Christian. These massacres were not isolated happenings; I could detail many more episodes just as horrible as the one related above; throughout the Turkish Empire a systematic attempt was made to kill all able-bodied men, not only for the purpose of removing all males who might propagate a new generation of Armenians, but for the purpose of rendering the weaker part of the population an easy prey.

eelfins
Why don't you deny the Holocust are do you already?

Nice try lordkelv
trying to say I hate Jews is your projection of you but it will not work.

Answer 1

Please watch this video and understand that your reasoning is only based on what people have told you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Q77jAaIhk
Note: This video contains graphic stories.

Answer 2

From what I keep seeing in the news, reading in the paper, responses from other people, it is like Turkey has held the Christian world hostage or something.

and even this Armenian Genocide issue wasn't a threat to stop Turkey from going into Northern Iraq.

Although there is nothing new about how Turkey generally freaks out, I mean once instance of anti-turkishness and all hell breaks loose. Is this the kind of country we really need to rely on?

Aren't there bases in Kuwait we can use?
what about in 2003? we had no problems invading iraq while turkey was denying bases.

Turkey does what Turkey wants whether America likes it or not.
I find it funny how in 2000 GWB said he would recognize the genocide, over and over and over again.

I also find it funny why most people commplain as to why they should care about something that happen 90 years go? Oh here is a news flash, most of America has a religion called christianity, which is several thousand years old. Why do we still cling to that?



sadly, i dont know what kind of excuse this makes for the rest of the world.

Answer 3

Let's see. One year into this era you point out where the Republicans controlled the congress and the White House, terrorists flew planes into the WTC. I did see a lot of Muslims waving US flags at that time. The problem is, however, they were all on fire. You have a strange way of viewing history.

Answer 4

Here are some documents held in the US Congress Library by a well respected US Officer Admiral Mark Bristol during the material times and I quote;-

"“The acts of the Armenian army at Kars absolutely disgusted our Americans…I am sure that the mass of people at home believe the Armenians are Christians in action and morals, and that they are able to govern themselves. You and I, and others that know them, know that this is not the case…CARDASHIAN IS CONSTANLY REPORTING ATROCITIES WHICH NEVER NEVER OCCURRED and giving endless MISINFORMATION with regard to the situation in Armenia and in Turkey….. (Armenians) are a peculiar people. They have a great faculty of making themselves disliked wherever they go...” "All the Americans in Kars are well, and the Turkish Army is full of concern for us and accords us all considerations. We have been given permission to continue our activities as before. The Turkish soldiers are well disciplined and there have been no massacres."
Edward Fox, District Commander N.E.R. Kars

"...."The Turks marched into Kars and the Armenians ran away without firing a shot except from two or three places on the hill in the beginning, and this firing soon ceased. Many of the Armenians threw away their guns, stripped off their uniforms and hid in the houses, especially in the Near East Relief orphanages and hospitals with the children."

How many people in the US know what the NEW YORK TIMES wrote about the Armenian Genocide during the relevant time ?

http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/08/1886-nyt-18-oct-1915-dangerous-rebel.html

http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/08/1884-nyt-22-nov-1915-rebel-turk-djemal.html

http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/08/1883-nyt-14-nov-1920-armenians-complain.html

http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/08/1882-nyt-13-nov-1914-turkish-armenians.html

http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/08/1881-nyt-2-may-1928-huncak-agitates.html

http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/08/1880-nyt-15-dec-1903-armenian-revolt.html

http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/08/1878-nyt-22-jun-1935-armenian-patriot.html

http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/08/1877-nyt-8-jan-1915-armenians-from.html

and there is much much more information why hasn't the UN recognised the Genocide do you know what the UN's official Statement about this issue is ??

ok I'll tell you,

"(The) United Nations has not approved or endorsed a
report labeling the Armenian experience as Genocide."
Farhan Haq, U.N. spokesman, October 5th, 2000. On June 4-7, 2005, at a Florida Atlantic University genocide conference, Juan Mendez, Special Advisor on the Prevention of Genocide to the Secretary General of the United Nations, was criticized for calling the Armenians' genocide an "event." This article tells us that the Argentinian "responded that since the UN has not
officially recognized the genocide, he was not allowed to call it that." As reader Conan put it: "The UN is the organ that has established the Genocide Convention. If even such an institution doesn’t recognize the Armenian genocide, Turkey has the right to punish the so called Armenian genocide as libel. That is the right of every nation."

"Neither political nor legal or material claims against present-day Turkey can be derived from the recognition of this historical event as an act of genocide."
European Parliament, 1987 resolution

Answer 5

You are right in that it is wrong to deny the murder of these people, however, I think the timing is the issue here for many American politicians. Turkey is fighting so hard because they want in the UN. They are also becoming re-involved in the Caspian Sea group deciding who does what with the world's third largest gas deposits. We are also using their land to finish what we started in Iraq, which is also a country that has been killed by dictatorship but more in the recent future.

Please understand me - I do not condone those actions nor the delay of this ruling. Honestly, I am not even sure that anyone can create a stable, democratic state in the Middle East, but that's what we are trying to do in Iraq.

I am merely making a point that I believe the reasons for any delay on America's part are deeper than may first seem so that perhaps you can understand the why.

I do not believe anyone should be saying this never happened, but there are those who think the Holocaust never happened, either, so I appreciate your concern that this will get swept away in politics and never confronted. It is a serious tragedy and one that we are working to ensure does not happen again, although the method to the madness escapes me sometimes, as well.

Answer 6

i agree with kangaroo!
and i recommend hardly this book about this historical problem!
1) Dashnagtzoution Has Nothing to Do Anymore
Author : Hovhannes Katchaznouni
ISBN No : 975-343-453-7
en français:
2) Le Parti Dachnak N'a Plus Rien A Faire
Author : Hovhannes Katchaznouni
ISBN No : 975-343-458-8
in germany;
3) Für Die Dascnakzutyun Gibt Es Nichts Mehr Zu Tun
Author : Hovhannes Katchaznouni
ISBN No : 975-343-454-5
and another book:
4) Die Konterrevolutionaere Rolle Der Daschnakzutjun Partei (1914-1923)
Author : A.A.Lalayan
ISBN No : 975-343-479-0
for more information:
http://www.kaynakyayinlari.com/web/index.asp?ort=katgoster.asp&catid=118
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Hovhannes Katchaznouni is first primary minister of Armenia!his book is very important.

Answer 7

The Turks have victimized Kurds too. The kurds fought along side the Armenians and were slaughtered with them. Just let the Turks show their true nature. Bush may be caving because PKK also attacks Iran.

added. the Turks have killed more Kurds than Saddam,it is continued bad acts,not an isolated incident a hundred years ago.

Answer 8

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Answer 9

Christians often leave acts of retribution up to God. Sad that the Muslims have never learned to behave with such grace.

Your post certainly stands as a testament to the tradition of killing that Muslims have indulged themselves in throughout time and thus, current events should never be viewed as simply contemporary or, having 'American Imperialism' as their root cause.

The 9/11 Commission's report should be torched and forgotten.

Answer 10

Bush is caving in because Turkey is an important hub in getting supplies into Iraq.

"WASHINGTON (AFP) - The US military is looking for a second route to supply troops in Iraq in case Turkey shuts its borders in reprisal for possible adoption of a resolution on genocide in Armenia, a Pentagon official said Tuesday."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071016/pl_afp/usturkeyiraqkurdsunrestpolitics_071016181726

The Democrats wanted this resolution to damage relations with Turkey to make it harder to conduct the war in Iraq.

Interesting history, though.

Answer 11

Truth ! that is a very good question.
Turkey still thinks, the world yet still a jungle and they can do again what they done in 1915 to the Armenians. No more, our deaths are hunting you, as you see since last week they went buzzerk, now they don't know where and to whom to turn too, to lie for turkey.