If global warming is man made, surely liberals should be able to explain these simple facts?

Question

1.) NASA reports because of Solar Flares the Sun is the hottest it has been in over 100 years. There are no cars on the sun.
2.) Global warming is causing ice to melt on Mars. There are no cars on Mars.
3.) Most of the temperature increase happened before 1940 (Before most carbon dioxide was released by cars and factories)
4.) “Most geologists think the world is growing warmer, and that it will continue to get warmer.” L.A. Times 1929
5.) "Scientists predict Ice Age" Time Magazine, September 1971.

Shoot- So thats your answer genius? Im glad your a liberal. It really shows. Thanks!.... Im not surprised in the least...

Answer 1

Global Warming is a politically correct term for a natural phase of climatic shifts, scientifically expected---and we're at a stage of life where we are witness to it's beginnings.

The phase of "global warming" will likely last hundreds of years on.

So no: it is NOT man made--but more aggravated by man.

Answer 2

Yawn. You'd think with as much time and effort the kooks that thingk they are smarter than scientists with Ph.D.s would at least be able to think up some new nonsense.

In no particular order:

1) the sun did have a short increase in energy output--which has since abated. But global warming was already occurring BEFORE that variation. If the crackpots actuallly knew any science, they'd know you cant have a cause that occurs after the event its supposed to hae caused
2) Time and other magazines raan articles in which scientists talked about POSSIBILITIEs--at the time they were just starting to study climate changes. No one made any "predictions of a new Ice Age." Of course, the ccrackpots don't even know the difference betweeen a hypothesis and established fact--obvious from the simple-minded mistakes theymake (like reversing cause and effect, above).
3) events can have different causes. The fact that Earths's global warming is caused by humans has nothing to do with Mars, or any other planet. This one doesn't even deserve an answer--its a logical fallacy, generally known as reductionism,.
4) 1929 newspaper articles? LMAO
5) the claim tha tmost of the increase in temperature occured before 1940 is false.

I do stand corrected on one point--the use of a 1929 newspaper article is a new one on me. An unusually good example of how nutty these deniers are. So I guess that counts as a new ad hoc arguement (also another logical fallacy).

Answer 3

Simply repeating the same old junk science does not make it fact,your fist assumption it fataly flawed,the sun has been emmitting solar flares stonger than any recorded in twenty years since 2001,indicating an increase of at least 40,000,000 jewels of electrostatic microwave heat which more easily clears the outer and inner layers of the earths protecting ozone layer,to my knowledge we have no effect on the suns ability to heat or cool its self and this FACT has never been disproven or even disputed since it was put forth in 2002 buy the meterologist sociity,this FACT alone will explain an increases in the surface tempreture over the last three decades,and possibly longer,also your claim of the current rate of warming is base on the Luger-Albertson computer model based on the amount of oxygen found in core samples drawn from glacier ice,but this finding is desputed by several scientists as a flawed formula,so even this would account for a flawed result in the statement you made as to the rate of temp increase after the last ice age,but a Toronto scientist Dr Calvin Woodridge has put forth his opion on this matter stating that the rapid increase if proven and I repeat IF proven correct might in fact represent at climatic peak preceeding a cool down prior to the onset of another ice age at some time in the future,Please understand that picking out people and orginizations that put forth the opion and statements that you agree with does not speak well of a person objectivity,and by no way make them FACTS.

Answer 4

The planets all usually go through completely natural phases of heating and cooling. Mars might be melting slightly, but seeing as there is no known life on the planet, it will probably fix itself. The sun is just going through some sort of a phase in which it is hyperactive. The Earth was probably in the middle of some warming period (you've heard of the Little Ice Age and the Medieval Warming Period, haven't you) in the 1940's. It's been predicted that the Earth will continue to heat as more and more dark water at the North Pole is exposed due to the ice melting until it reaches some sort of a tipping point, in which so much excess water has been dumped into the oceans from melting that temperature will change and the currents will alter because of the large amount of freshwater (ice isn't salty). : (

Answer 5

Wow...interesting! But the flaw in your thesis is that it isn't these mythical 'liberals', the strawman enemy of the reactionary science haters that have tracked the data points. It's literally thousands of climatologists from a hundred countries that have observed and analysed the same data over a long period of time. Climate change is real and man made pollution is a major part of why that is. The reason for this is that the earth's atmosphere in relation to the size of the earth is about as thick as an onion skin, so it really doesn't take much to add a significant amount of pollutants to it. Add to that mix the feedback effect.....a very slight retained heat means that the summers are slightly longer, which means more artic ice melts and the winters are slightly shorter which means less ice forms. A slight rise in temperature melts a few million square miles of artic tundra which releases more CO2 and methane yearly which in turn helps raise world temperatures etc... As far as you other points, the sun is the same...we don't have any weather stations on Mars and only spotty historical data on temperature. The rest of your post is less than valid and has been taken into the overall climate models. So, if your'e trying to beat up the 'liberal' strawman, good luck....blather on!

Answer 6

Global warming is for real. It doesn't take a scientist to see that.

But the biggest scam of mankind so-far has to be that it's man that's created it.

I don't wish to slag my American cousins but I'm afraid Al Gore is a self promoting phoney....and a very rich one on the back of this cr*p.

But then he's no worse than the lying, two-faced, hypocrite, stealth-tax theives we have as politicians in the UK.

Answer 7

1) Sun theory of global warming -- disproved by UK scientist

http://ecostreet.com/blog/climate-change/2007/07/11/uk-scientist-disproves-global-warming-skeptics-theory/

2) Fallacy of correlation. There is no proof that melting ice caps on mars have anything to do with either the earth or the sun, furthermore, there is no proof that even if ice caps are melting on mars because of increased solar activity that anthropogenic global warming isn't a factor. Think like a scientist as much as you can, and not like someone who puts their own intellect aside in favor of experts who may or may not have your best interests (or the earth's in mind).

3) Outright lie. Do your research.

4) Again, the fact that they might have thought that in 1929 does not mean that it wasn't happening, or that the off the charts warming we are experiencing now is related. Again, fallacy of correlation. You assume that because they said that, than this must be a related cycle. You can't prove that.

5) Again, science is not infallible, however, you are again utilizing a false correlation fallacy. You are trying to put forth a mistaken notion that common science may have had at one time, and trying to force us to come to the conclusion that this must be the same thing. One DOES NOT follow from the other.

PLEASE -- do these things before you make up your mind.

1) Look at the man behind the screen. Check out who funds your sources, and watch for front groups and spurious claims from people whose degrees are farther from climeatology than a veterinarian's. You will find many, many front groups by big oil industry and neocon think tanks. They will appear to be "independent sources" only until you find their funding.

2) Think man. Think. Don't trust experts above and beyond your ability to reason.

We know for a fact that CO2 warms the earth. If it didn't, it would be too cold for most plant and animal life.

So, consider next the fact that we pump like 6 million tons of CO2 into the air every year.

How could anthropogenic global warming NOT be real and present?

Evaluate sources. Use your brain. Read, "Trust us, We're Experts" (can't remember who wrote it off of the top of my head).

Answer 8

Perhaps these articles might be of interest to you...
-- 'No Sun link' to climate change
"A new scientific study concludes that changes in the Sun's output cannot be causing modern-day climate change. It shows that for the last 20 years, the Sun's output has declined, yet temperatures on Earth have risen."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6290228.stm
-- Out of Balance: ExxonMobil’s Impact on Climate Change
A powerful combination of archival footage, personal journey, scientific fact and disturbingly recent propaganda films, Out of Balance shows us the influence that the largest company in the world has on governments, the media and citizens. Along the way, scientists and activists alike suggest ways to combat global warming.
http://www.linktv.org/specials
http://www.linktv.org/programs/special_climate1
http://www.linktv.org/programs/special_climate2
http://www.exxposeexxon.com/
-- The Secret Campaign of President Bush's Administration To Deny Global Warming
"It is no secret that industry-connected appointees within the White House have worked actively to distort the findings of federal climate scientists, playing down the threat of climate change."
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/15148655/the_secret_campaign_of_president_bushs_administration_to_deny_global_warming/1
-- US cuts back climate checks from space
"President Bush is trying to convince the world the US is ready to take the lead in reducing greenhouse gases. But meanwhile, the administration is drastically scaling back efforts to measure global warming from space."
http://www.wlns.com/Global/story.asp?S=6610716&nav=5D7v
-- Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS)
"An unprecedented level of political interference threatens the integrity of government science."
http://www.ucsusa.org/scientific_integrity/
http://www.ucsusa.org/scientific_integrity/restoring/scientific-integrity-update-05-2007.html#UCS_Exposes_Climate_Science_Censorship

Answer 9

The point isn't that global warming is entirely caused by man. The point is that with mans help the warming that the earth is going through is going to be much greater than it would have been.

We have to do something about it now or the impact caused by humans could be disastrous and that's a fact.

Trust me, we are having a substantial impact and the only way to reduce that impact is by moving away from the burning of fossil fuels.

Answer 10

Aight so you proved that weather fluctuates.... This is a valid point. However we also know since oh 1st grade or so that cars DO pollute the earth and water of our planet from their excretions, Power plants and such contaminate the earth, and nuclear rods buried under the earth seap out radiation for Thousands of years! So even if these factors are not part of the GIANT global warming, they are still damaging the environment which you should care about , however the majority of conservatives only care about themselves, which is a very important thing to do, but if you can care about yourself, others, and the ground you tread on... then you have become a better person!
Im not trying to be condescending, you will live a better life if you care more



--N@E

Answer 11

Surely the World has been warming up since before the Ice Age! Perhaps the Sun has moved a few miles closer to Earth. I believe the Earth will continue to naturally warm up and mankind of the future will adjust accordingly.