Why are Democrats Attacking a US Ally in the war against Iraq?

Question

Between 1915 and 1917 the last vestiges of the Ottoman Empire in Turkey engaged in one of, if not the, first genocidal attacks in the Twentieth Century.

Recently the Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to recognize this 100 year old atrocity.

This 100 year old genocide was carried out by a government that no longer exists.

The Democratic party still exists. The Democratic party supported slavery, opposed civil rights, worked with the KKK to form the House Un-American Activities Committee (The Commie Blacklisters), imprisoned Japanese for ethnic reasons during WW2.

Since the Democrats believe that even century old events should be addressed and held against a government that rose up and rebelled against those that committed the atrocity:

Shouldn't we, as a nation:

Demand that the Democratic party disband for their ethnically motivated atrocities over the last few hundred years?

After all, this is the exact same political party.

No, this is not something I got from a website, I researched it.

Turkey, as a nation, did not exist at the time of the Armenian genocide. Turkey was formed after the revolution that overthrew the last vestiges of the Ottoman Empire.

Democrats are holding a nation that did not exist at the time responsible for something it could not have done while they refuse to accept responsibility for the things they have done.

You do have a point Johnny Cree, and you have an educated opinion on the subject. I appreciate that.

It is not the actions of individual Democrats I condemn. It is the politics of the party itself which chose to promote slavery and oppose civil rights.

I also disagree with the position you have taken on Turkey as a nation. They have refused to admit that a genocide occurred and their politics and laws are different just as French and British politics and laws are different. I do not believe that the government has engaged in the kind of systematic ethnic abuse that the United States and other nations have engaged in.

Answer 1

Good question John, and good points. One thing I disagree with though is if the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are ever labels as genocide (and you know the direction it's going it probably will.) The democrats won't be the one's pinpointed...it will be our whole nation.

Answer 2

Thank you for this interesting point John. When I heard the news I was totally amazed myself how they managed to frame Turkey for the acts of the Ottomans. It is like blaming the Americans for what the British have done.

Unfortunately I have lost my faith in the existance of justice combined with politics. Many US demands for "justice" are politically motivated and have no bearing on justice and are quite frankly hippocritical. They are mere propaganda to control the thoughts and emotions of it's own population. The US political and financial support of the Turkish regime is continuing unabated, hardly the thing to do if you truely believe you are dealing with a genocidal regime.

I believe the function is twofold: a show of support to the secularists opposing the islamists in Turkish politics. This is a treat as to what the US will do to Turkey if Islamists continue to gain influence and passing proreligious laws. The second function is to persuade it's own population that they are moral and love justice, rather than bullying around in the internal affairs of other nations.

Answer 3

John .. all of us know that The empire that has been implicated in this atrocity, no longer exists and the present day Turkey was not the only territorial part of that empire. This is a fact and no body can deny it.
And to label the present day Turkish Government or Turkey responsible for the deeds they never were a part of is unprecedented and unethical act.
Surely this is being done again, may be, to pave a path for war, in future, against that country, just as weapons of mass destruction were used in Iraq.

Answer 4

Mr John I respect you, and I agree with you concerning much of what you say concerning Dems because I am one.
However concerning the present Turkish Government you have failed to recognize that they refuse to acknowledge the complete genocide the previous government committed and continue to persecute and yes murder Turkish citizens who disagree with their current position.
As an example, only recently have Turkish authorities stated that the former government executed about 1/2 million Armenians.
As for the other 2 million Armenians that were executed they refuse to acknowledge their demise, choosing rather to supposed they just disappeared into thin air.
The current Turkish government has a no discussion policy when it comes to wife beating.
Men who are taken to court for beating their wives generally have the case dismissed because of no merit or at best receive a verbal slap on the hand from the judge.
To this date the Turkish government treats Christians at best as 2nd class citizens even though these Christians have been living there for over 1700 years, a good three hundred years before the Muslims conquered the land.
Turkey is an ally because Turkey needs our base there as a protection from potential threats from the north, Russia.
We need the base there because it gives us a crucial advantage in that part of the world.
But never forget that when we went to Iraq, the Turkish Government forbade the US from flying sorties into Iraq.
Mr John you are obviously a well educated person, but I suggest you revisit your studies of Turkey and rethink your
position concerning this country.
I Cr 13;8a
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BTW is was Eleanor Roosevelt who pushed for civil rights in demanding that the Tuskegee Airmen fly sorties into Germany during WWII.
It was Truman who pushed for an integrated Military.
It was Kennedy who encouraged the Arch Bishop of the Orthodox Church of No. and So America to walk with arms linked with Dr King in the march for freedom and civil rights.
Yes the Dems have a lot of very nasty history, but they've done one or two things right as well.

Answer 5

Slowly I lose respect for you, is this a talking point you got from a website?
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By that logic you advocate ending the United States Army for its genocide against Native Americans.

History is wonderful but the reperations arguement is bunk.

Heres something that "is" interesting, is the arguement legally about a corporation that did benefit from slavery by selling insurance to slave traders. I forget how the Supreme Court decided but it was an agruement, that the insurance company owed money to repirations.

I saw something about Dominoes Pizza (and this was like 2005) about a franchise that didn't work out and the guy sued saying they were discriminatory.


I think your point is that you want the same sort of arguement about a corporation made against a political party.

I don't know but if the Democrat Party that nominates candidates for President is a corporation maybe theres merit to what you're saying if they did something illegal.

I think the reality is these kinds of discussions are academic and just won't work in a format like yahoo answers where people like you and me have to ask and give answers.

Since its a world war 1 discussion its maybe best suited to a book.

Edit 2: Wasn't there a payment or an apology to the people alive who were imprisoned during WW2 - the Japanese? THought they got like 70,000.

Answer 6

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Answer 7

The Democrats are just supporting Al Qaeda like they normally do. Why is this such a surprise?

Answer 8

no

bush should be tried for war crimes which contravene the nuremberg principles

a person wrongly in favour of the death penalty might want to see him swing like that guy the CIA put in power a few decades ago

saddam i think his name was

Answer 9

THE VOTE thats all, they do not care about us the people just the vote,they put down tha USA for a vote, think about it how could anyone do that,put down the best place (USA) to live. I LOVE THE USA

Answer 10

its what appeasers do.

And Al Queda in Iraq has already thanked them for making the war in Iraq even tougher than before.

Spartacus asking if this was a "talking point"

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.