Why the allies didn't obligate to Germany to give a internal land for building the Israel state?

Question

It could have been more reasonable because germans was the only guilty of jew holocaust not the palestinian people. On the contrary, allies helped Israel to invade a innocent country, just based in the fundamentalist idea of the "promised land". I find it very unjust.

Answer 1

I can see what your saying, I have been to two Concentration camps, I lived in Germany in the 90s but I am from the USA.

Your point makes a lot of sense.

Rather than have just dividing their nation as it was, maybe a section that had been wiped out due to war could have been resettled and made into a country rather than in Palestine.

I am not going to get into who has rights to the Holy Land because all claim they do so its pointless to argue.

Where would you have suggested over where it is now exactly in Europe? Would you have made all of Germany occupied by Israelites and made that their new country? Id hope not, but the idea of enough land to form a country is intriguing I think.

I am sure it was political red tape and other stupid factors that allowed it. Remember it was not the Allies, it was the newly formed UNITED NATIONS that did it. The Soviets just happened to not be present the day of the vote and even the current day Israelites were not sure they would have US support until almost the very end.

It sure may have made things a lot less warring today, Maybe.

Some say it was done because it put a thorn directly in the middle of the Islamic people whom most westerners had disdain for already and did not feel that Palestine should be theirs but the Jews because they thought they were their first.

I again will not take a side on that issue here, but Imagine if like Poland or near there they made Israel instead. I wonder if it would have been accepted by the Jews too!!

very good question.

Answer 2

There have been a lot of good points made by Chris W, Wolf, and spqrclaudius. In my opinion spqrclaudius has done the best job of answering the question. However I would like to add two interconnected points.

The first is that the Palestinians had the opportunity to create their own nation post WWI. Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait, and other former regions of the Ottoman Empire successfully lobbied England/ the League of Nations to recognize their sovereignty. Palestine was given the option of being their own nation or joining Syria and/or Lebanon in some fashion. Palestinian leaders could not come to an agreement and thus became a British Protectorate.

The second is that during the Inter-war period and post WWII, rich Palestinian land owners sold large amounts of land to rich Jews in North America and Europe who then opened the land to migrant Jews. It wasn't until the average Palestinians began objecting that there was serious violence.

There were many mistakes, miscalculations, and inappropriate decisions/actions made by all parties in the creation and maintenace of Isreal.

Answer 3

Because Israel is the biblical Holy Land of the Jewish people, and they believe that Jewish people from throughout the world have a more special connection to that place than a Gentile country like Germany, which did nothing but exclude, humiliate, and kill the Jews.

The Palestinian people should definitely have a state and the actions of aggressive Zionist settlers are wrong, but don't mistake the reality of what happened in history. The original Zionist settlers were in Israel before WW2, purchasing land legally from the Ottoman government and then later from the British government. The major areas of Jewish settlement in Tel Aviv, the Negev, and the Galilee were literally built up from nothing--no one lived there. In other places, it's true that land was taken--it was a mixed situation. In 1948, when the state declared its independence, most Palestinians who stayed in their homes simply kept their lands and became Israeli citizens.

After the 1968 war in which Israel was simultaneously attacked by its neighbors, it acquired additional land from Egypt and Jordan containing many Palestinian refugees from 1948 (again many Palestinians who remained in their homes in 1948 and didn't leave just became Israeli citizens, as are their descendants to this day--not all "Palestinians" are the same). These lands should become the basis of a Palestinian state, with an international panel in charge of the high holy sites in Jerusalem.

Answer 4

I agree that it was unjust. I think there were some proposals to take land away from Germany. But Palestine was part of a British 'protectorate', and the Palestinian Arabs were even less liked and more powerless than the Jews, so the Brits gave the land to the Jews. Also nobody wanted Jewish refugees.

Answer 5

What a strange question! I'm assuming you have never read a Bible? Or read any news reports which detail the archaeological discoveries in the Land of Israel, which prove that the Jewish people have a historical connection to the Land?
If you refute the Hebrew Bible, do you accept the existence of Jesus, a Jew, born in the Land of Israel (a little over 2,000 years ago)
You must also be aware of the historical evidence that the Greeks, the Crusaders & the Romans, all took their turns in attempting to remove a Jewish presence from the Land of Israel? (This is documented by these Nations, not just by the Jewish Nation)

What you are probably not aware of, is that during the late 1800's, and up to the present day, the parcels of land were purchased, piece by piece, from the then absentee Arab landlords, who had occupied the lands stolen from the Jewish people over the centuries. This land was paid for by organisations such as the Jewish Agency, and by benefactors such as the Rothschild family.
Many of the Palestinian refugees were not land owners, but tenant farmers; when the land was sold from under their feet, by the (Arab) landlords, & returned to the Jewish people, they became dispossessed.
However, by no means all the Palestinians refugees are in their current position because of these actions. Many are actually Jordanian, Egyptian & Saudi Arabian in origin; they are the descendants of those who arrived in the Land of Israel, immediately after the second World War, at the behest of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (who was, as I'm sure you know) allied with Adolf Hitler) as mercenaries.
Their mission was to encourage the then Arab population of cities such as Jaffa, to leave their homes, whilst they (the mercenaries) continued with their task - to 'throw all the Jews into the sea'. Of course, they failed.
Many thousands of Arabs remained in Israel, & whilst there are frequent complaints that the population do not receive the same rights & benefits as the Jewish population, most people find that their conditions are much better than under the Arab landlords.
Finally, there has been a well-documented Jewish presence in the Land of Israel for over 5,000 years. Abraham, the Father of the Jewish people came from the Land of Israel, many, many years before Mohammed was even born! - & as you probably know, Mohammed was NOT from the Land of Israel, he only died there!!
Finally, there has been a well-documented Jewish presence in the Land of Israel for over 5,000 years

Answer 6

The inventer of cordite, which replaced gun-powder was a British Jew called Frederick Abel. He died in 1902 but was offered a title for his discovery. He said he did not want a title, but instead wanted a homeland for the Jews.

He got his wish.

Abel was born in Woolwich, which is now part of London. He studied chemistry at the Royal College of Chemistry in London, where he was appointed an assistant in 1846. Abel moved to the Royal Military Academy in 1852 and later became the British War Department’s chief adviser on explosives.

Answer 7

And I find your post gibberish.
The UN gave the area of Palestine designated Israel to Jewish refugees from Nazi oppression etc. predominately because it was their ancient homeland.
The "Palestinian people" admittedly haven`t perpetrated Holocaust - YET - but read a history book ,specifically the events of 1948 when the Palestinians and FOUR other Arab nations invaded Israel and got their arses kicked by a MUCH SMALLER Israeli army.

Answer 8

1. Israel wanted their spiritual homeland back. I'm not going to discuss semantics or religious connations to the region but a dispossessed people wouldn't settle for less.

2. It allowed Western powers to gain a strong power base in the region which had been up until that time under the control of the British Empire. Palestine was still under British rule at the time but as Britain was badly wounded in the war it had less and less interest to rule the region directly from London, so it became more effective to set up a loyal state and to cut costs back in Westminster. Not to mention the area was pulsing with OIL which is always of interest.

Answer 9

What was this "innocent country" that Israel "invaded"?

I wasn't aware that there was an independent state there before Israel.

You also make the unwarranted assumption that the only raison d'être for Israel is the Holocaust. This is not true as anyone who is passably aware of the history of Zionism knows. (Hint: It predates 1939.)

Answer 10

when you sit and think about it , its quite obvious that they had a private understanding to build up the Israeli army and slowly take control of the middle east and its oil. the holy land was a perfect excuse. that's why! 'when the Arabs started to wake up and arm themselves, the Israelis were quietly and sneakily given a nuclear capability. because suddenly they! were becoming the hunted. now!! the west is in a position where they have to keep addressing the military balance. and i dare say the quietly unspoken farce will go on to cost a lot more lives! and a lot more of our taxes before its over. jpenergy!! its nice to see some one unafraid to speak the truth. thank you.