Is Eternally Collapsing Objects logical?

Question

Is Eternally Collapsing Objects logical? If so, does it mean that all Black Hole Candidates are Eternally Collapsing Objects or just parts of them?

Is Eternally Collapsing Objects logical? If so, does it mean that all Black Hole Candidates are Eternally Collapsing Objects or just parts of them?

*Add* I meant, Eternally Collapsing Object, proposed alternative to a black hole. It meant that massive objects that suffer gravitational collapse never actually form black holes since the build up of gravitationally trapped radiation pressure slows the collapse to a very small rate when the object becomes sufficiently compact until a Radiation Pressure Supported Star forms.

ECO is intended as a alternative to Blach hole... so well.. I guess most of you mis-understood my meaning....

Answer 1

You are falling into the same trap as Aristotle and countless others. It is not always or even frequently possible to reason out all the properties of the Universe from ordinary observation. There are always things we don't know about. Thus we had the elements of earth, air, fire and water and the idea that the Sun orbited the Earth.

If "eternally collapsing objects" exist, and I don't say they do or don't exist, then no amount of logic based on ordinary observation is going to predict the physics in the object itself. We can make informed guesses, but they remain guesses.

There are many facts which are counter-intuitive. The viscosity of hot gases is greater than cold, which is the reverse of what you would expect from observation of honey, or oils. There is also the phenomenon of retrograde solubility, in which addition of more solvent in some systems actually leads to the precipitation of the solute. Are these facts logical?

Answer 2

Black holes were stars at one time, gravity working on the massive star was what caused the formation of the black hole in the first place. No doubt there was plenty of heat but nothing that could start fusion was on hand. Forget the eternally collapsing thing, the black hole is as collapsed as it can get.

Answer 3

It's a yes, but. From the outside a black hole is an eternally collapsing object. From the inside it's not. We don't know what is on the inside. My assumption would be that what is inside the black hole is the true quantum physical ground state of the vacuum. But that is an untested and probably close to untestable assumption until we get to go really close to a real black hole. I might be wrong...

Answer 4

Yes, all Black Hole Candidates are Eternally Collapsing Objects. Relativity says that gravity slows down time and infinite gravity stops time, so as the black hole collapses smaller and smaller and its gravity gets stronger and stronger, time slows down more and more. The limit is that at infinite gravity time stops.

By they way, when I say gravity gets stronger, I mean the shrinking size of the black hole exposes areas of empty space that before the collapse were inside the object, and since they are now outside of it they have strong gravity. The gravity at some distance never changes; never gets stronger. It is just that the shrinking size of the object allows you to get closer to the center of it without hitting its surface, and every time you cut the distance to the center in half you quadruple the force of gravity.

Answer 5

Interesting question. Two points:
>we don't actually know--since we can't--by definition--get any information from inside a black hole to tell what is actually happeninng.

>But yes--it is perfectly logical. To express it properly, you have to describe it as a limits problem in calculus (don't worry, I'm not going to!). But the general idea is this" as the object collapses, it is always getting smaller. But its volume, no matter how small, is always greater than zero. Therefore, the volume can always get still smaller.

Answer 6

You have to consider,the universe is a quantum,finite entity.
That means it must have a maximum and a minimum size.
If you take a second or a meter and successively divide them in half eventually you will reach a point where the next division will result in their non existence.
They can't be divided eternally,this must hold true for anything that can exist in the universe.
Eternal or infinite are mathematical concepts and cannot exist in reality