Want to understand the Illuminati rulers of today? here is a starting point?

Question

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071012/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_knights_templar

Knights Templars posed as "the" Christians defending the christian faith. They, in fact, were heretics. They enriched themselves and when moved to Europe starting to take over governments. It was then the scheme of lending money that doesnt exist started to emerge. When the knights Templars disappeared due to persecution, other secret societies, with the same aim of world domination, emerged. The modern rulers of the West can be traced to these societies which today have various forms like tax excempt organizations, media tycoons, and so forth.

It is a fact, not conspiracy. But the Freemasons of today will tell you that you are nuts or that u smoke weed if yo believe in them. Thats their only defense (but to understand more about 9-11 terror attacks, you'd need operation northwoods as well)

"No, no, no, you are confusing people. If you want to know about the Illuminati, become one."

they wont let you if u do not share their bloodlines and/or agenda, and i dont.

"If the US and the world were truly being run by some conspiracy, it would be far better run"

no it wouldnt. By the way it is not conspiracy, it is a group of people, just like everyone else, with the exception that this group has an agenda of global control, an agenda that was designed way back in history. Plus this cabal is far more brutal than everyone else due to the type of ideology they follow. They see the conquest for world domination as justified and that justifies the means - their brutality.

"Seeing conspiracies behind every bush is just plain paranoia."

that "argument" gets repeated again and again each time one talks about the cabal. It seems to be the best defense promoters of the illuminati have. They brand people as paranoid to stop them learning the real cabal behind world events.

"do some homework putz.

got any more idiocy you need addressed in that pea brain of yours?"

you seem to have been irritated by my post- thats because you share the illuminati's agenda (more likely bloodline as well). I did research and it took me many years before i discovered the workings of the cabal that runs the World especially the West.

You think you have a good brain? it is not evident from your post nor from your attitude, perhaps you are hiding your real intellect from us?

Answer 1

Hail Eris!

Answer 2

a desire for world domination has always been a problem among some people. the difference is some have the circumstances to enact it while others don't. I mean the ability to make money out of thin air surly would give one the means to gain such domination if one so desired. it would take alot of helpers to do so some in the know some not.

only a handful of freemasons actually know what is going on, it makes me think about corporations of the mafia, the corporation is a front, only a handful actually run it behind the scenes doing crimes. so you have a legitimate organization and a few at the top who use it for their selfish gain in subtle ways to avoid detection if possible.

this applies ot alot of corporations and organizations. you have enviromental groups who most people in there believe in the cause, truly, but are being manipulated by a few with a hidden agenda that is totally contrary to what the others joined the group for in the first place.

many times the volunteers or workers have no clue as to the real agenda, and work right along, until it is too late, that is why I have read some instances of enviromental people leaving the cause when the find out the real cause of their group. they find out the agendas is hurting the enviroment or people or animals not helping them.

Oh by the way don't let people's criticism or sarcasm bother you, that is only fear, name calling and sarcasm is a red flag that the person or persons involved are afraid the conspiracies are true. It is a defense mechnism I personally try not to read to much into it because frankly it is scary.

now illumanits? freemasons? skull and bones? bilderbergs? do they exist? probably. do they seek world domination? probably people within the group do if not the group as a whole. I look at such groups as clubs. you know people of like interest being part of a club. the gardners clubs, or fish club or saddle club or the golf club or country club or whatever.

And a individual might just use that club as a springboard for other things, or recruiting others once they get to know them and trust them. this how they develope a following, afterall you can't gain world domination alone you need alot of help.

RRRRR

Answer 3

If the US and the world were truly being run by some conspiracy, it would be far better run. Seeing conspiracies behind every bush is just plain paranoia.

The Templars were not heretics, by the way. King Philip of France felt they were too powerful since they answered only to the Pope and not him. Moreover, he wanted their money. So, he drummed up a lot of fake nonsense about heresy and had them rounded up and tortured.

Many of them did escape and there is an indication that they did influence Freemasonry, especially in Scotland. However, to believe the Masons are behind some diabolical world order is ridiculous nonsense.

Put your analyst on danger money, take your thorazine, and remember Hanlon's Razor --

Do not attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity.

There is no world order, no Illuminati (which was a satire on people like you who believe in conspiratorial world orders), and the Freemasons are steadily declining. It would be encouraging to think there was some kind of mastermind behind all of this, but again, remember Hanlon.

Answer 4

they did accumulate property and wealth and ran a pseudo "bank". the church didn't like it and the knights templar were burned at the stake by the catholics.

do some homework putz.

got any more idiocy you need addressed in that pea brain of yours?

Answer 5

No, no, no, you are confusing people. If you want to know about the Illuminati, become one. It is quite simple: go to school and study to become enlightened. Only then will you truly see. This other stuff serves as a distraction away from the truth, designed to lure the gullible away from knowing what the Illuminati really are, and prevent them from ever becoming one.

Answer 6

It's not just the Freemasons. Don't forget all roads lead to Rome.

Answer 7

Arthur C. Clarke formulated the following three "laws" of prediction:

1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

These three ideas are sufficient to 'illuminate' what an imaginary group like the Illuminati actually is, which you feel you are intelligent enough to discern, but too smart to become a member (or too honorable, or whatever).

The strength of conspiracy theories is the strength of stage magicians everywhere.
"See, it is gone, therefore it is a trick."

Any real magic (or advanced technology) they encounter must be a trick, because they can't find evidence of it, yet they can't imagine another cause.

Everyone who argues for another cause must be influenced by the Illuminati, or be one.

Once they person is proved not to be illuminati, it must be an illuminati trick, because the proof has been removed.

People used the word "Illuminati" in history, so it must be true (much as people in the future will read your posts and assume the same).

Anyone who doesn't believe you have been taken in, like anyone who doesn't believe anyone else, or everyone who disagrees with any position of someone utterly convinced they are right despite any evidence to the contrary.

It's so simple.

What a trap.

You see, as Sir Arthur Conan Doyle did, it is EASY to go from conclusion to premises, as he did with his stories. People confused Sherlock Holmes intellect for Doyle's because they forgot something:

He already knew who did it because he made it up. Placing the evidence in his stories, though cleverly done, was not an example of incredible deductive reasoning, as he chose his conclusion before he made up his premises.

This is the same man who was taken in (as was anyone who believed the same due to this man's testimony) by "photos of fairies" that were later proved to be false, making such silly claims as there was no way the girls could have faked it (one worked at a photography job, the pictures were identical to pictures in a recent magazine, etc.)

He had the deductive abilities of a cod.

Yet it was all so believable.

The Illuminati conspiracy is based on "guilt by association". Find a connection, therefore, they are all in on the conspiracy. There are similarities, therefore they are part of the conspiracy.

You aren't part of it, therefore there is a conspiracy.

It's rather sad. Like bigfoot, like the Bermuda Triangle, like aliens in flying saucers, like most such things.

Are there real evidence to support such things?

No. There is evidence to support SOMETHING. The rest is often wild conjecture.

Bigfoot? Nothing deductive. Some inductive evidence, a lot of fakery (proved), some witnesses, the idea that unusual animals have been found before.

NONE of which proves bigfoot.

Bermuda Triangle?
They know where most of the planes/ships went down. Any craft that traveled even for a few minutes in the "Triangle", no matter where in the world it may have gone down, was attributed by Berlitz to being "lost in the Triangle". Some of the craft he refers to didn't even exist. Triangle has been debunked.

UFOs? YES! Flying saucers with aliens? No. No proof.
LOT'S of fakery. Some evidence of, now listen carefully:
UN-identified flying objects.

Unidentified. We don't know. Many have been shown to be natural events. Some are as yet unidentified. Yet look at the nonsense attached to these events!

You refer to the things you post as PROOF? FACTS?

Let's examine that:

Knights Templar are heretics, wanted to gain power. Therefore they are illuminati because they have secrets.

Let's take a look at organizations that have secrets and want to gain power:

Corperations
Governments (all)
Religions
Most Organizations of any sort.

You're surrounded! They ALL do!

No, the best defense that the Freemasons of today have is that you don't have an inkling of the basics of logic or critical thinking if you get sucked into the abyss of conspiracy theory thinking.


What an easy out. If you don't have their agenda and bloodline, they won't let you in.

Let's assume that's true for a second. Why in the world would they marry anyone else? If they did, wouldn't they be letting outside blood in? Do you really think that, with all we know about genetics, that such a small population of people as the Knights Templar would actually be a viable population for such a long time?

Or do they look for people with similar goals to marry into the "family". If that's so, then they DO let outside people in!

Oh, wait, that would ruin the theory.

I HAVE IT! They have MASTERED genetics and have found a way to prevent deformities due to inbreeding! HEY! This proves an even longer bloodline? Didn't the Ancient Egyptian Royalty always marry each other? Sometimes brother and sister? THEY must be Illuminati! They had secrets societies! They talked about Ra, the Sun, the Illumination of the world! They had...

...what an easy game to play. I could give you thousands of examples to PROVE the Egyptians were the source of the Illuminati. I may even have convinced a few people with this little bit (though there is SO much more I could say about this idea).

The brutality of man is unacceptable to some people, so they create the "Devil", Illuminati, etc. (Hey, wasn't Lucifer another word for "light"?), etc.

Anyone but us. Must be someone else murdering people in Africa, in Asia, in Europe, in South America, in North America, in Australia.

If the Russians (must be Illuminati) get a foothold in Antarctica we can add all seven to the list.

The best defense the Illuminati has is to call your ideas, "Paranoia"? Can't be much of an organization. Seems that I've done a pretty good job of pointing out lack of logical thinking, lack of any real evidence, lack of any critical thinking. Not that I expect you to see. I'm not really posting for you. I can't reach you. You've found your place to hide and anything that doesn't fit in the hole with you must be false. This is for everyone else that hasn't dug themselves a hole, yet.

I ENCOURAGE people to look at the conspiracy theory.

The proper approach to such a thing is simple, especially to such things as the 9/11 conspiracy theory:

FIRST: Read the original documents, not on a conspiracy website, but the official websites.

SECOND: Read the DEBUNKING websites against the conspiracy theories.

THIRD: Read the conspiracy sites/information.

IF they have any truth to them, they'll survive this.

Remember Erich von Däniken? The Chariot of the Gods? Ancient Astronauts?

Huge amounts of information taken out of context, people misquoted, evidence from every walk of life used while any contradictory evidence was left out, any detractors slandered or libeled as it MUST be true.

What a fiasco! Now you have to work hard to find a copy of the book, and most UFO researchers keep a serious distance from anything associated with Erich von Däniken.

Yet, people still remember it and many still believe it.

Conspiracy theories are rather viral that way.

Inoculate yourself. Originals, Debunking, Conspiracy, in that order.

Imagine the huge numbers of people who must be involved in such things, like 9/ll. Haven't you wondered why not ONE of the people who talk about these things is a former member? WITH ALL THE FREE SPEECH AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET?

IF they are that talented, that intelligent, that quick to catch and deal with EVERY person out of the huge organization they must have to do all these things and squelch every attempt to reveal them except by people like this poster who AREN'T members, MAYBE THEY SHOULD RULE?

If they were real. I've seen so many claims and people who are supposedly Illuminati, part of the "conspiracy".

I don't recognize any of them...

Answer 8

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