How is a liberal pushing their “progressive” agenda any different than a Christian pushing theirs?

Question

Secular liberals think they have the answer just as Christians do…

What is the difference?

And don’t tell me secular/atheist liberals don’t kill… there is SUBSTANTIAL demonstrative history to prove otherwise. Take some history classes if you want proof, or find your own links.

You are pushing a belief, whether in your perception that belief is true or not does not matter.

Christians believe that God exists, what most of you state is contradictory to what you claim.

Crabby_blindguy - how is trying to teach each other to love thy neighbor any different than what you propose? This is meant to help everyone as well?

froggie - they may have tried back then, it's your turn now. And it's really pissing us off.

Answer 1

We do need to talk sometime about the difference between the two.

Progressive or liberals want a set of standards for the rest of the world to hold up but not themselves.
They don't want people to push their agendas on others but they are willing to push theirs.

Case in point drug use.
A conservative caught with drugs is land base and demonized. IE Limbaugh

A liberal caught with drugs and driving under the influence is protected. IE Kennedy

A conservative caught sexual harressement case doesn't get any say or sympathy from the press.

A liberal caught in a sexual harressement case is allow to smear the victims name and use the powers of his office to prevent the victim from having their day in court.

I hope these examples help.

Answer 2

The only difference I can see is that some Christians try to persuade others to change their behaviors that Christians deem as sinful. Some do a lot of preaching. I can deal with that.

The distinction is that liberals have gone well beyond persuading and have crossed the line into forcing. This is done with the passage of laws that run counter to the freedoms guaranteed to us by the Constitution. What they cannot force upon us through the legislature they force upon us through activist judges and justices in courts. In essence they are dictating policy through Judicial Fiat.

This is not a plutarcracy. This is supposed to be a free and democratic republic. There is a big difference between encouraging a behavior and mandating it. Between preaching the way things should be and dictating how things will be.

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Answer 3

Everyone has an agenda. Policies they want to see implemented. And in that sense--there is no difference.

But the motives are clearly different. If, for example, Hillary proposes a health care reform, the motive may be addressing existing problems, or humanitarian ideals--or simply a political calculation that this will help her get elected.

When, however, someone proposes sommething like banning stem-cell research, or abortion--the motive is simple and clear: a desire to force that set of religious beliefs on those who do not share them. I can't speak to the "morality"of he specific proposals (other than to note that neither is a prohibition that can be justified by appeal to the Bible). But that someone does wish to force others to act in accordance with religious beliefs they do not share is unAmerican and unpatriotic--as well as running counter to the Constitution.

Answer 4

It's not different, really.

It is part of the political process, and those are not the only 2 groups, nor are they mutually exclusive.

But...

... Christians often don't want to accept that their poitics they espouse to others are not based on Constitutional principles, even though they are happy to claim Biblical pricipals in support of their position.

That doesn't usually happen with other political groups. Whenit does, they are equally chastized as Christians are. they usually get it though and stop.

What is irksome is that in US poltics, the Consitution rules.

If someone went to Church and stridently said the Bible doesn't matter on how we do our rituals, the Constitution does, the congregation would be rightfully outraged, because it is applying the wrong document to the wrong issue.

That is basically how the Christians you are referring to act and are perceived in public politics. Wrong document, wrong issue.

Not that there isn't a place for that document, just that politics is not the right place, church is.

Answer 5

The Religious Right seeks to impose it beliefs on the majority of the American Public. Look at history in 1920'2 when the so moral leaders imposed prohibition upon the public. Take away alcohol and all the problems of society will be solved.

Answer 6

There is no difference but they will try to claim that it is different because their conclusions are based on objective facts but that is also not true since substantial data contradict the effectiveness of liberal methods of social engineering. Incidentally some Christians have pushed for policies that have gone to far and need to learn the value of mutual restraint.

Answer 7

Political or religious, it doesn't matter! They are the same thing, thank you for bringing it up.

It is okay for the liberals because they have the media, many educators, and most of Hollywood in their back pocket! There are few who try to stop them. And those who do are bigots, "neocons", evil Christians . . . . any other name that is thrown out there.

Answer 8

I'll be upfront with you. I don't like either of them pushing their beliefs onto me. I'm a believer who does agree with separation of church and state, but I'm also an individual who doesn't want other peoples agendas forced down my throat if I don't agree with that agenda.

The extremists on both sides of this issue are the ones who concern me the most.

Answer 9

The Fundamentalistic Christians pushing their agenda today believe they can force God's hand into the end-days by doing a little of this and a little of that in the middle east. I don't want anyone "leading" who's got such a self-destructive world view. God will come on his own time table, prideful ones.

Answer 10

The difference is, Christians who prostelitize are unable to use the public schools as a vehicle