Does a Democrat see that if Billary is elected that the nation as a whole is taking a step towards communism?

Question

Karl Marx is like the Nostradomus of political predictions.

In laymen's terms, Marx believed that a capitalistic society would eventually corrupt and move towards socialism with the end result being communism.

The middle class is dwindling -- few go to the rich side while majority go to the poor side.
Billary "knows" what's best for each individual of a free society.
She wants to make everyone have healthcare and 401k's.

How are the Democrats not seeing this? How does a supporter of Billary not see this?

To the top 3 answers; Those have to be THE most intelligent answers I have seen all day. Excellent job short bus riders...keep up the great work!

Spleen; That's funny...I don't recall making such defensive statements.

Spirish; Bold statements get bold reactions...it's about shock to get people to answer a serious question...nevertheless you can't seem to do that.

Wyl; The point of this forum is to debate. Come up with a counterargument against what I'm saying and discredit me for what I'm saying. Hillary is a socialist, you know it, I know it, most of the world knows it, yet you want to wait to see what her materials propose. She's ALREADY proposed these things...what more could you possibly need? Are you waiting to see of she's elected what it will materialize into?

Aaron; it is telling but when you've got your finger pointed at me claiming I'm a Republican I laugh at you. Isn't it sad that people like you make callous assumptions? Oh yeah...in case you didn't know I'm an independent. Isn't that telling?

Crabby; It's funny that you inherently left out that while capitalism in itself is unstable -- it's followed by a socialist movement with the end result being communism.

Spirish; Again, DOES A DEMOCRAT SEE THAT IF BILLARY IS ELECTED THAT THE NATION AS A WHOLE IS TAKING A STEP TOWARDS COMMUNISM?

That looks like a question there skipper. I extend my empathies to you because you can't answer a question. You'd rather attack the person than debate a question...to each his own. IS THAT BOLD ENOUGH FOR YOU?

Spirish; I could care less who agrees with me. Whether or not you agree is not the point. The point is to answer/debate the question...whatever you so choose. You, and many others failed to answer the question...when you went off on a rant and decided to try and "call me out" as you would put it. It's not my fault a person who lacks intelligence, such as yourself, can't answer or debate a simple question but would rather "call me out" on BS. If you can't answer the question, which obviously you haven't, then move on...it's not to hard to do.

Playing victim? LMAO...hardly playing victim. More or less looking to see who can actually answer/debate the question but as ill-informed as you are...guess that's not in the stars for you.

Answer 1

So many Democrats, principally the self-professed ultra liberal ones, don't even understand the definition of the terms they are dealing with.

For example, if someone is touting a new government program, all they have to do to lure the clueless, hapless Liberal is to present the idea as being the fulfillment of social justice, that it is a program of generosity. Libs eat this stuff up like Homer Simpson in front of a free buffet, but they don't realize what is being put before them is pure Socialism.

Soviet dictator Khrushchev once observed: "We can't expect the American people to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism."

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas

You may think I am being dismissive of Democrats, but in my experience, Conservatives think, Liberals just feel. I once had a heated argument with a Liberal. When I produced a copy of the Constitution and conclusively proved that what he was talking about was not written there, he didn't admit that he was wrong. He just shot back, "Oh yeah? Well......... it should be!"

That is the Liberal attitude in a nutshell. They don't care about reality. They believe that whatever they conceive as being best should be adopted, no matter whether it is sensible, practical, or if it is even Constitutional.

Why don't Democrats see this? On some level many of them do. However, the idea of "being taken care of" by the government appeals to them.

Answer 2

In the first place, neither Clinton is at all socialist or communist. In the second place, that's not what Marx said. And I have read Marx--no offense, but you don't know what you are talking about.

Specifically--Marx said that capitalism was an essential step toward a better society--but that capitalism itself was inherantly unstable. And--if you or the other people on the right knew anything aobu tMarxist thought, you'd know that even the most die-hard Marxists admitted long ago that Marx (though a briallant analyst of the society of his time) was flat out wrong.

The danger in this country is not communism but fascism. And the threat is from the right, not the left.

Does Hillary propose some socialist programs? Yes--most notably her health care proposals. But what are we seeing from the right? Politacal rants and ideological slogans. Not a willingness to face up to the fact that the health care system is dysfunctional and corrupt. What we need--and need badly--are real ideas from the right to balance the ones from the left. And that's not happening. So--we are probably going to end up with a major expansion of government's role in health care. Not because that's inevitable. Because the left is going to win by default.

I'm serious. I have--and am--chatting here and there online with people about this issue, among others. But the only people online--or in public--that are coming up with actual policy proposals are on the liberal/left side. NOTHING except rants from the conservatives. Well--here's a heads up: people need health care. And political rhetoric won't cut it. So when we get stuck with some government health care system, the right ha s no cause to complain. They are letting the other side have all the input.

Answer 3

The Democratic celebration leaders are a blended bag of socialists and moderates with some close to communists. maximum Democrat electorate are really ignorant and uniformed and don't understand the version or perhaps what they're vote casting for . Their recommendations of wanting loose training , food , housing , wellbeing care , and public transportation on the rate of their acquaintances and acquaintances are very a lot socialist . Communist governments require no possession of resources , deepest organization , utilities , alongside with few own liberties and 0 unemployment from authorities issued jobs . i'd say many youthful Obama electorate are inquiring for a socialist authorities and others are leaning in the direction of communism . lots of the older Democrats are extra life like or conservative and except some issues , want an same because the in demand Republican celebration . The ACLU has 500,000 individuals and replaced into depending as a communist company. Their regulations are almost the picture of the recent of the Democratic celebration .

Answer 4

I left this question earlier. In my opinion, the bashing going on here is the same force of attack for months we have heard against Libby, Gonzales, Cheney& Bush. Now, do you think if there was a way to Impeach Bush it would not have happened by now? So we listened, debated and some provided credible sources why Mrs. Hillary Clinton needs to be researched further. Then make a choice. Don't be caught up in the propaganda and polls that are subjective & mean little.

Here right off the bat a whole bunch of answers now attack a member of the political forum on Y! Answers. Ranting and a whole bunch of nonsense un befitting any discussion. SO, I find myself wondering is this just a stereo typical trait? Or has no one heard the news lately? Hillary '08 will go down as she herself makes all these ridiculous moves. It is yet another pure B& W reason not to trust the candidate. These issues should have been iron clad long before some poll made them un popular. IE: Baby Bonds to 401k's? It makes no sense why a seasonned vet like this is making critical errors? Thank you very much.

Google
Clinton-China
Clinton-Murdoch

In addition, divide and conquer is a basic foundation of Communism. DO you see our nation divided over a war Clinton himself had engaged in (Google Operation Desert Fox) ? They do come as a team. How can you realistically avoid that.

Answer 5

In response to the first answer, Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are not the same person, please don't view them as the same. They will not have the same presidency, (though it might be interesting if Hillary were to have an issue with an intern) They do not and will not have the same agenda.

Am I the only democrat that is starting to get worried about Hillary.
First of all if she keeps going around spreading all these campaign promises, then does nothing about them when she gets in office, we (democrats) will likely lose the 2012 elections.

Secondly if she does implment these policies, how is she really going to fund them? Everything she has proposed calls for more taxes on the higher income brackets, (which to a slight point I agree with) but we can't raise there taxes a hundred different times.

Does she really have a sinister plan in place, to propose all of these programs when she gets in office and let the legislature vote them down. How does she plan on taking control of the buget? Oh wait, tax the rich some more is the answer right.

Finally, can we belive her? She is pandering to every political corner she can to gain votes. How is she going to satisfy everyone when she gets in office.

Answer 6

So you honestly think by calling Hillary Clinton "Billary" is really a good way to incite debate? Do you really believe that by using this term to indentify her will actually change the mind of people who like her?

How are you not seeing that bashing other people does nothing but make you look like a blathering fool.

Edit: Bold statement? Oh! that was supposed to be a serious question??? Okay here you go, your question was not a question. It was a statement with a question mark. It was you're myopic view of how you see things. It truely wasn't a question, but I guess YOU can't see that. So I'll repeat it, since apparently it's not sinking in for you. CALLING PEOPLE NAMES DOES NOT INCITE DEBATE!!!

Is that bold enough for you??

Attacking you? How exactly did I attack you? Because I called you out on your B.S. name calling? Okay. I guess I "attacked" you. Poor you. There you feel better now? You got to play the victim. But I'd also like to point out your little little sideline diatribes, so maybe you should look in the mirror there.

Well I guess we're at an impasse here BUCKY. It's not a question, it's YOUR belief disguised as question! Here let me show what a question looks like....Do you think that Hillary's current stance on the issues promotes communisim?

Now was that so hard?

You don't really want a true answer, you just want us all to agree with you that if we elect Hillary we will become a communist country.

So I guess my resposne to your rant is no, we would not be"taking a step toward communism".

While you're at it, you should probably look up the definition of that word "communisim" becuase I don't think you have a clue what it means.

Answer 7

The only thing I'm seeing, is your bias towards the Clintons.
I'm not real secure with Hillary yet, but I know for sure that Bill's no Socialist, or Commie !
In fact, one of the reasons that the far right hates him so bad, is that he was able to use sound economic policies, to pay off the huge deficit, and the social security money borrowed during the Reagan/Bush 1 Administrations. He left behind the largest surplus ever amassed in US history. Bush promptly gave it to the Rich !

What Karl Marx believed, two centuries ago, has no bearing, and Communism died a while ago, if you ain't noticed!
Communism collapsed, under it's own weight, for the reason everyone knew it would, to wit : Self-interest trumps "States-interest" Everytime .If you want to motivate someone, paying them well, and giving them security, beats the hell out of "Doing it for the good of the Party".

Answer 8

I agree that everyone should have health care and a 401K or some sort of retirement plan. I do not believe that it is the government's responsibility to provide it or dictate how it is run. Government should provide oversight to the private sector who would ideally be the provider. I think Democrats want what is best for the country and the populace but their plan is to involve government way too much. When government gets too big and has too much power, that is when we start to lose our freedom of choice. And you are correct. This leads to a Socialist society. And that will lead to something even worse, be it Communist or something else. We need a government that will empower the people to stand up and take responsibility for their health, their country, and their future. We need to keep the power and size of the government in check. You know what they say about absolute power.

Answer 9

"To each according to his need, from each according to his ability". Sounds like a great bumper sticker for Hillary.

Seriously though I am not sure how much she will socialize. Healthcare is a given which is a shame since I know people from countries where healthcare is socialized and they hate it. It is just one more way for the government to make you more reliant on them and in turn control how you live your life.

I think a lot of what she says is just what she thinks she needs to say to get elected. Thata is why she has so many different positions based on who she is talking to. She is not stupid; she is just another in a long line of power hungry politicians.

The problem is most people who support socializing programs think with there hearts more than their heads. I would love for everyone to be able to afford health insurance, but just take an objective look at countries who have implemented it and see if it is better than the US.

Granted costs have gotten way out of control, but the government taxing people to pay for it will only make it worse. Name one thing the government has gotten involved in and made it better.

Answer 10

It's all in the packaging and how you sell the sizzle. Of course, if you called it "communism", liberals would never go on record, to commit to communism. Why? They have claimed forever they oppose communism and the word itself has connotations similar to "child molester".

To lead liberals towards communism, people like Soros and Mike Moore, suggest you first embrace socialism BUT, no you can't use that word either; Hillary got the memo to call it "progressive", so liberals can accept the term (you don't have to sell them on the concept, they are already on board).

The strategy to take the public towards socialism- undermine the foundation of capitalistic society, just like Stalin, Castro and every previous communist advocated-
undermine the family unit
wage war against faith
patriotism brings Americans together, libs must destroy it
marriage- trivialize it with gay marriage and sensationalize Hollywood divorces and promote single parent families in groups that socialists exploit...

Liberals sadly believe that a pure socialist society can be achieved without a dictatorship, loss of human rights and a step down in lifestyle and creature comforts. Maybe the people who supported Stalin didn't believe he would murder more than Hitler. Maybe the liberals who supported Castro, didn't expect to be held prisoner in their own country.