Why do neo-cons claim that we would be fighting Iraqis over here if we did not fight Iraqis over there?

Question

Doesn't thought require more than a slogan?

Exactly how would this fight be played out in the US if not for the lie-based invasion of Iraq?

smsmith500 (below) I've posted DOCUMENTED Bush admin lies time and again in this forum.

Answer 1

Nobody has ever claimed that, 'we would be fighting Iraqis over here if we did not fight Iraqis over there'.

"Radical" Islamists maybe but, not Iraqis.

And it is true for now.

Regardless, “A neoconservative," ... "is a liberal who has been mugged by reality." According to another definition, a neoconservative is one who utters two cheers for capitalism instead of three. ~ Irving Kristol

Answer 2

That is a very good question. Let me, your old nemesis in Prague, answer that for you.

In an intercepted letter from terrorist Al-Zarkawi, he implored his followers to keep fighting, even though the cause looked hopeless. Coalition forces were making communications impossible, even the most surrepticious of meetings was extremely dangerous, funding had dried up as the U.S. scrutinized bank accounts and money transfers, and U.S. weaponry seemed invincible.

However, Al Zarkawi had words of hope to his followers: inevitably, in every military conflict, stupid, naive "anti-war" demonstrators will derail support. All they had to do was tough it out. Even though they could no longer do much of consequence, they could still pull puny, cr@ppy little stunts like blowing up buses a few blocks from where they lived. They just had to give the impression that they were still strong, and American resolve would evaporate.

Our presence in Iraq is keeping the terrorists so off-balance that their once arrogant claims of mass destruction have dwindled down to setting roadside bombs and blowing up buses. They don't have the resources to plan anything big. They can't travel. They can't even make phone calls for fear of detection.

Yes, the strategy of fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here is sound and logical. Obviously, the strategy has worked. No new attacks since 2001. Can you honestly say that would have been the case with some wishy-washy Democrat in office?

C'mon.... don't give me the knee-jerk reaction of just disagreeing with me. Stop and think. The terrorists have not struck here again for one reason: THEY CAN'T.

Answer 3

Knee-jerk reaction of American fascists. Government supporters are not conservatives. They support corporate control of services traditionally provided by the state, propose government intrusion into the citizens' private lives (through regulation of sex, marriage and monitoring without warrant) and an endless state of war. Furthermore, they are bent on submitting all governments and cultures that do not accept capitalism and US-styled democracy as their inevitable destinies. By no means can they be called conservatives.

Their objectives, including the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, are so overwhelmingly similar to those of other fundamentalist Christian groups and the fascist (or corporatist) movements of the 20th century that I have a hard time calling them anything other than fascists. These Law and Order types are currently abrogating freedom in order to enforce a new feudal hierarchy based on fundamentalist capitalism of the Milton Friedman strain (the one that starved so many people under IMF imposed structural adjustment in the Third World).
In other words, these people are the inheritors of the Prescott Bush, Nelson Rockefeller, Dulles Brothers support for fascism around the world in order to facilitate corporate led globalization and oppose nationalist democracies (that is those independent from the US model). Henry Ford, Bush and Rockefeller in particular were supporters of the NAZIs and, along with Coca-Cola and IBM, conducted business in Nazi Germany and subsidized the rise of the Nazi party.
It is no wonder that the US saw to the restoration of fascism in Greece and installed fascist regimes in many of its client nations. The truth is, these people are not conservatives. They are fascists.

Believe them just as much as you would believe Goebbels.

Answer 4

It is a slogan to justify the unjustifiable invasion of Iraq. It is not true, and this lie does not fool the majority of Americans. Only some Republicans believe it.

Answer 5

They don't think their slogans through too well. Example:
"Mission Accomplished"
As far as fighting them here is concerned, since the Bush Administration refuses to do anything about closing our borders they are probably already here. And since our soldiers are over there, we have no way to fight them here do we? Good question.

Answer 6

Sorry if I offend the well-informed ones but you people are mostly ignorant. Let us try to abstract ourselves for a moment.
Why did the US invaded Iraq?
Some people will say: Because they had WMD`s! Well they did not….
Well, at least they are free from a cruel dictator! Well, like so many others…
Now, what if a “coalition of the willing”, decided to free all Americans from this lunatic named George W Bush, which many call a dictator?
-He is not a dictator! We live in a democracy! True, but Chavez who republicans call a dictator was elected while our (ouch) friend Bush was selected.
So in theory he could be consider a dictator and therefore persona non grata for mankind.
How would Americans react if such coalition decided to invade the US to free its people from Bush?
The Iraq invasion is no laughing matter. It was an immoral, illegal state sponsored terror act against a sovereign nation, yet governed by someone as crappy leader as Bush is.
Saddam received his punishment from its people. Bush will be punished by history.

Answer 7

It doesn't make sense to me either... People will claim that the war wasn't based on lies, and I don't know if it was, but since the reason seems to change every year, its reasonable to believe it was a lie.

So, by their logic, since we are fighting them there, they shouldn't be here in America, right? How does that explain the need for a Domestic Spying program? The terrorists shouldn't be here if we are fighting them over there. But we're still spying on someone here. So we are, in fact, fighting them here AND there. They are contradicting themselves in my opinion.

Answer 8

They have to come up with a reason why the Iraq war is inevitable.

Answer 9

And againt he mindless liberal sheep resorts to the failed "lie" argument without ever taking the time to figure out where the supposed lie took place..

And there was this little attack on September 11, 2001.. maybe you've heard about it? And perhaps that could be a good reason to fight terrorists there instead of waiting for them to come here..

Really, for once in your life at least consider thinking for yourself.

Answer 10

What protects this country are the improved port / border / airport security measures. NOT bombing a bunch of peasants with rifles.