I can prove God exists.....?

Question

i am agnostic though.

Here it is.

The world is very complicated and delicate. It's incrediblywell-built. What proves that? Science. If you don't believe in that, then watch a couple children's science TV shows.

There is a creator to a complex creation. ALWAYS. It's commonsense. If you don't believe in that, then you don't have any. A building doesn't rise on its own accord. WE build it. Even if the world started as...well...pieces of rock, it is still astonishing how all the incidents conspired to eventually create such complex universe.

Then, there should be a might creator who built this world. and you would be as powerful if you can clearly explain what world began with. You can't. because you simply can't explain anything as nothingness. You are NOT smart enough.

What do you say?

PLEASE, be civil. I don't want answers as 'STFU' or anything else. refute it LOGICALLY. I can prove it LOGICALLY. Then, let's see what you'll come up with.

Answer 1

What you have done is provided an argument in favour of the existence of God - you have not given any actual proof.

Proof needs to be empirical - that is, one must be able to reproduce the effect in the right conditions over and over again, using physical means or physical experiment. For example, you need a photograph, a measurement, an observation, that sort of thing.

Your argument is valid even if it does not fulfil all the requirements of a logical and irrefutable conclusion, even if it is not verifiable. even if it contains a flaw (for this see below). It is valid because in my view all arguments are valid if they are given seriously.

But proof also needs to be disprovable.

There is a flaw in your argument. You have provided 'commonsense' as evidence in the basis of your explanation. This is not enough - building on commonsense is very shaky, because it is not something that we all agree upon. You must form the foundation of your argument on something that we can all agree upon, and commonsense is not one of these things. For a start, we do not all agree about what it is, and we do not all agree it exists in the first place.

What you need to do is revise your methods, and to understand the ways available to present a philosophical argument, and how to provide verbal and written course of reasoning aimed at demonstrating truth or falsehood.

Good luck.

Answer 2

If you don’t understand something due to its complexity it doesn’t necessarily follow that it was made by the “creator” it just means you don’t or can’t understand it based on the knowledge you have. I bet most of the things we have are way beyond our understanding like TV, computers, cell phone or how my car engine works. It’s very narrow minded to think if you don’t understand something that it’s proof of a god.

As a Christian I believe in God because of my relationship with Jesus. I don’t have a problem with evolution. Maybe God added the salt to the stew that started life on earth. Perhaps god lit the fuse on the big bang. It doesn’t really matter, it can’t change my faith in the lord or in the basic facts of evolution.

Most of the information I have read from people defending your point of view argues that it can’t be understood so it must be god. I prefer the position, that every day the picture becomes a little clearer due to scientific research.

Answer 3

"There is a creator to a complex creation. ALWAYS. It's commonsense."
No it's not.

That argument has been refuted long ago.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theism/design.html
http://skepdic.com/design.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleological_argument

"Then, there should be a might creator who built this world. and you would be as powerful if you can clearly explain what world began with. You can't. because you simply can't explain anything as nothingness. You are NOT smart enough."
Another logical fallacy. Just because you aren't smart enough to understand something doesn't mean god did it, it just means you aren't smart enough.

Maybe no one is smart enough to understand it but that also doesn't mean god did it.

If we actually believed that then what point would there be doing science?

Summary: A lot of people, far smarter than you have tried to prove God exists and so far no one has ever come up with an argument that can't be refuted (or even one that isn't trivial to refute).

Answer 4

i'm purely a man or woman with constrained perceptions, only like all of us else. I believe God does exist, yet not in any anthropomorphic experience that is waiting to be shown or measured scientifically. This being the likely clarification for the a protracted time previous debate, I end that i won't supply any relaxing answer that could convince you the two way.

Answer 5

Your logic reminds me of the movie “The Gods Must Be Crazy,” a native in the Kalahari Desert encounters technology for the first time--in the shape of a Coke bottle. I found this to be very amusing, but I also began to see parallels between his thought process, and that of the modern day Theist.

Both are using CAVEMAN LOGIC to explain their world. I fail to see the difference between “hmm, bottle fall from sky, must be gods” and “hmm, trees, butterflies, sunsets, and complex organisms prove the existence of god.”

In both of these cases, someone is simply replacing one unknown for another unknown, but proving nothing!

Not only can God not be proven, but I will also go so far as to say that God can be disproved. It is impossible for something to be all knowing and all good. If you are aware that something bad is going to happen, and you allow it to happen anyway, then you cannot be all good. If God created everything, then he also created evil. It is also impossible to be all-powerful; can God create a rock that even he himself cannot move?

I would have thought that as man became more knowledgeable and logical that he would have pushed aside his caveman beliefs, but it seems to be just the opposite.

Answer 6

Now you are using your God given intelligence. Yes you Got it. It is all written in the ancient Vedic wisdom in a very scientific way that proves the existence of God. for information read Bhagavad Gita as it is By Bhaktivedanta asitis.com can be read on line. Life comes from life. Everything is created by someone. The material world and all living entities are created by the greatest Supreme Person also known as God, Creator, Krishna, Allah, Jehovah, Vishnu, Rama, etc. What makes Him God is no one created Him. Everything emanates from Him. We are His parts and parcels. We have all the qualities of God, just not in the same quantity. Just like a drop of water in the ocean has all the qualities of the ocean though it never becomes the great ocean itself.

Answer 7

I agree with this.
It's just like how everyone believes that religion and science can't mix. It's not that they are opposing forces, people just choose to believe on or the other. You can belive both and still be correct.


Like the Big Bang. If that IS in fact what happened, God could have been the one to cause the explosion.

Makes you think.

Answer 8

The world is complicated and beautiful, far beyond anything humans can do, and science is our methodical study of that creation. Because of our limitations,( we really are just beginners here), it is easy to ascribe that creative effort to a God. It makes more sense to accept that with joy than to deny God and replace it with what? Chaos? Chance? Satan? Life is too special for that. Yes, Virginia, there is a God. Amen.

Answer 9

Yes, I believe you have a very valid point.

We can create things, but ultimately a "God" created them because a "God" or "Creator" created us. It carries the same logic as if A = B, and B = C, then A = C. <---- I guess that's what I'm getting at.

Answer 10

as the saying goes
a little knowledge is a dangerous thing
an arrogant, specious thing to be sure
you obviously have either read far, far too little
or
have been told this tale in some form of elementary "Sunday school" for so long that you believe it

in either case...
as they say in the German idiom
the mountain has struggled and produced a mouse

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