two towns in California want to outlaw smoking in homes, how will the dweebs enforce the nazi law?

Question

if they evict without proof = winning lawsuit

Answer 1

This is typical. Get ready to deal with these sort of issues across the board. With socialized medicine it will become the governments business what you eat, the type of lifestyle you have and anything to do with your health. That is why I am opposed to socialized medicine. There are way to many people in this world that would tell you exactly how to live. Tying there money to your health issues is a scary concept.

Answer 2

I am amazed at the number of people that come on here and say this is a good idea. Unbelievable. While smoking anywhere may be a terrible idea, the government banning it in your own home is an even worse idea.

I guess they are doing so well with the war on drugs that they decided they could take on another. California, ironically, will be the only state where you can smoke marijuana (with a prescription) in your apartment but not tobacco.

Answer 3

Probably the same way they're going to enforce the no-cellphone / pda / mp3 / ipod law in 16 & 17 year old drivers.

They're not going to come busting into people's homes just because they're smoking ... however, if they need to go there for some other infraction (loud noise complaint from the neighbor, suspicious behavior, someone reports a major crime happening in your place, etc., etc., etc) they'll add the smoking fine to whatever else they find.

Answer 4

I am not a smoker, but it won't happen. If people want to smoke in their own homes, hence within their own property, they should be able to. Restaurants and common areas should be smoke-free. I am not going to El Torito to inhale some second hand smoke. Bars and clubs, I think they should allow smoking. If people are going in there to drink, they should be able to deal with smoke too. It's only fair. They know what kind of environment it is. I hate smoking but I am not going to become a Nazi about it.

Answer 5

That is an interesting question. I was all for the no smoking in public buildings law they made in Georgia but how can they expect to stop people from smoking in their own homes? That kind of goes along with the oral sex is illegal in Georgia... how are they going to catch a married couple in the act in their own home?? That's crazy.

Answer 6

It sounds like a law that will be on the books but only enforced when the activity is discovered along with something else. Like you never get pulled over for not wearing a seat belt, but if you get pulled over for speeding and you don't have your belt on, they'll get you for that, too. So if the cops come by your apartment for something, and they find you smoking (OR maybe even butts in an ashtray), they'd probably write you up for it.

As to killintimer, who made the slippery slope argument, the other activities you spoke of, even drinking, do not directly affect the health of others, so there would be no basis to regulate them just because smoking is regulated. That argument does not hold up in these circumstances.

Sorry, killintimer, but your argument still does not hold up. In order for drinking to harm others, something else has to happen. You need to get drunk enough to assault someone, and then go ahead and do it, in your example. But drinking will not necessarily cause harm, it just has the potential to cause harm In comparison, second hand smoke is harmful, so all you need to do to cause harm by smoking is to smoke. See the difference?

Answer 7

No, they want to outlaw smoking in apartments and condos. A regular house is not subject to the law.

Answer 8

Your friends and neighbors will turn you in. The city will encourage informing on your neighbors for smoking.

The city will argue on public safety for any child/worker who may come into your property.

Answer 9

I have a real issue with this that goes beyond smoking.

Let's assume, for sake of argument, that these cities (and others in other parts of the country) are successful in prohibiting people from smoking in their own homes, even if those homes are apartments or condos, based on "safety" and "health" concerns. Let us further assume that these cities win in court the right to regulate or forbid that personal conduct in a person's own home.

OK. Now that this scenario is established, what other personal conduct or activities might the government decide to regulate or forbid in your own home? What about regulating or prohibiting the consumption of alcohol in a person's own home? What about the viewing of pornographic movies in ones own home?

What if the religious right wing takes control and forbids penny poker in a person's own home?

I know. It all sounds far-fetched. But once you start letting these holier than thou religious bigots control and regulate what a person can do in your own home, any remnants of freedom we still have will be absolutely be gone....all in the name of public safety or some other silly excuse.

Let me add a couple things to clarify....

1 - I own and live in a condo. I do not smoke so the smoking issue does not affect me. But the restricting of what I do in my own home (condo or otherwise) is an infringement on my personal liberties and property rights. It would likely be considered as the taking of property without due process.

2 - I am a religious person. I go to chuch every week, contribute my time and money to the chuch and serve on the church board. But some of us Christians are just a wee bit narrow minded and bigoted for me. I am as afraid of these kind as an athiest or agnostic would be.

OK, let's see all the thumbs down from the right wingers that hang out on this board because they have nothing else to do than to keep track of what every one is doing and saying (with fond hopes of one day controlling what others are doing and saying).

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midnitrondavu says "It will never happen. What's your source?"

Well, I dont know about CA but I live in OH and a couple cities here are floating that idea. Better wake up...........

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"As to killintimer, who made the slippery slope argument, the other activities you spoke of, even drinking, do not directly affect the health of others, so there would be no basis to regulate them just because smoking is regulated. That argument does not hold up in these circumstances."

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I argue that alcohol consumption in my own home has at least as much chance of harming others than does smoking in my own apartment or condo. The chances of a person getting drunk and disturbing others though noise or assaulting someone in his own home or even next door are easily forseeable and would be used as an excuse to ban it.

And I can easily see the viewing of porn in the privacy of one's own home as potentially harmful. It could be easily said that children might live in my home (or just be visiting me) and would be harmed.

Any behavior, good or bad, can be claimed to harm others in some way.

Answer 10

They will just start having the vegan tofu-eaters start reporting anybody who smells like smoke in public and stake out their houses...after all, we can't allow people to take responsibility for their own actions and DECIDE if they want to smoke.