Evil neocon right-wing conspiracy King Bush-Hitler denies healthcare for children living in poverty???

Question

Do you care to know the truth about the President's veto of the Child Health Insurance Bill?

The president has repeated time and time again that he supports the $5 billion expansion of the program and has offered to sit down and negotiate the provisions of the bill.

Congress still pushed the bill through EVEN AFTER being told that some provisions they included were unacceptable.

So why then would they waste the time and money to push a bill through when they KNEW it would get vetoed?

That's right! They wanted to make sure that a bill dealing with an important issue like Children's Healthcare would get vetoed so that they could all get together, give high-fives, slap each-other's butts and make commercials about how evil Republicans are because they want to deny healthcare for children.

This is misuse of time and money, as a well as a clear abuse of power in order to wage political and media warfare on the president and the Republican party.

THE TRUTH...

#1 Provisions of this bill impose a $.61 tax hike per pack of cigarettes.

>The leading cause of death in the U.S. is Heart disease.
>Obesity also kills more children and adults than lung cancer and not all lung cancer is caused by cigarette smoke.
>According to the logic of imposing "sin taxes", you would have to add the tax to candybars, pizza, and all other such products BEFORE unfairly targetting the tobacco industry.

#2 CHILDREN'S health insurance program will be expanded to include "children up to the age of 25".

>So now, the government wants to define independent, working adults under the age of 25 as Children?

#3 The health care plan would cover children who live in families which report up to 400% above the poverty line on income taxes.

>This means that a family with 2 children is eligible as long as they do not make any more than $88,000/year? I thought this program was meant to be aid for people who could not afford healthcare.

Answer 1

The truth is
1) Don't smoke. Its expensive, dumb and bad for you.
2) Eat 5 pieces of fruit a day. It will help keep you regular and give you energy to, DO I DARE SAY, WORK OR GET A JOB.
3) Go out and play or walk for an hour a day.
Hey you could walk to work and kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
Sorry to all you PETA folks.
Health crisis is solved.

Sorry to all you libs who can't grasp the concept of no poverty since you do so much to perpetuate it

Answer 2

lol, someone i finally agree with on here... and something else that i've been thinking about that i've not heard too much on..

1) how many illegals would be covered under this plan?

2) how many people would drop their private insurance to have the government pay for it??

i believe that, like you, it was a grand plan of the democratic party to demonize Bush and the GOP... all the little details of this healthcare plan have been conveinently left out, or at least, downplayed in the media... so all the average americans sitting at home watching the 6 o'clock news see is "Bush vetoes healthcare bill for poor children"... lol.. no wonder we have so much dissention towards Iraq... people are misinformed.

to the guy below me... you're comparing 2 completely different things... Bush doesn't support the healthcare plan due to the specifics... he probably would've signed the bill had it not consisted of ridiculous provisions.. Libs don't support the war in Iraq due to party lines...

Answer 3

Read the Bill for yourself. It's 300% not 400% for example.

Would it not follow the philosophy of the Laffer curve (aka Reaganomics)? After all by giving families with lower incomes a lower health care premium would they not be able to put the rest of that money into the economy thus expanding the economy?

300xs the poverty line, as is the language in the bill does not equate to 83,000. That figure was proposed by Spitzer as anyone living in NYC understands the extremely high cost of living. If people are happy with it as is, it also insures people in NJ up to $74,000 as median income in the state is $90,000+.

In legislative terms, low income is different than poor. Poor children are all ready covered under medicaid, low income children are not.

Answer 4

Hey Einstein-
He doesn't want socialized healthcare. Children are not 27 years old and poor people don't make 80k a year.
I want the best care for my child-not some half-vast socialized nightmare dreamed up by another bloated government beaurocracy and forced on us all..
I'd rather cut the middleman and still have a choice.- I choose and buy insurance for MY kid.
It's a no brainer

Answer 5

I agree with your opposition to the bill, but realize that the "4 times the poverty rate" thresh-hold only applies in some higher cost of living regions.

However, I still do not consider families earning $60,000 (per the vetoed bill) in need of my tax dollars.

Answer 6

well... yes... that is basically the truth...

now for the "but" which I'm sure you thought was coming...

BUT, that's politics...

it's exactly the same thing the Republicans are doing with the war, if you can see through that smoke screen...

I could easily ask a question like "Evil commie libs lie about ending the Iraq war when they took over congress?"

and it would be the same... why?

the majority of Democrats have SAID they don't want to just cut funding to the war, they realize it would be a disaster, just like Bush realizes it would be bad to pass this bill...

but they did pass legislation to end the war... but that was vetoed... and then the Republicans started the "you could end it if you wanted to" chants, just to make them look bad... when they know they wouldn't do it...

you guys want to play politics with the war and expect everyone else to just sit back and play nice everywhere else? that's probably not going to happen...

and people don't pay enough attention to really notice what's going on in most cases... so, both situations make them look bad...

Answer 7

libs always claim that bush is against the poor and all for the rich and yet they wanted to fund this off of the poor and ignorant who do all of the smoking. if they were sincere they would have proposed funding it with taxes on caviar or polo ponies

Answer 8

Republicans have never cared about the poor or their needs much less the needs of poor children who can't vote. If you leave low-income people uneducated, ill and poorly fed then they become your slave class and do the dirty work that nobody else wants to do.

Answer 9

as we said in the 60's "right on".

Answer 10

umm yep pretty much