Is Exodus 21:20-25 helpful to Abortion Opponents... or DEVASTATING?

Question

Please see this before responding, as important background.
Relevant article, possibly still at the top, at:

http://apifar.blogspot.com

Answer 1

Devastating. It is the only passage dealing with abortion, and it does not agree in any shape way manner or form with the theory that life begins at conception. That is a "creation" of modern christians.

Answer 2

You are an extremist! You say you fight extremist yet you are one. You have very little understanding of Christianity yet you try to quote the bible. Your conclusions are completely wrong because your proofs are wrong. If you had an understanding of how to build a sound argument you would be much more effective in explaining your position but you are not.

In the end you forget that there is a life who has no choice in how its life is affected by abortion. You can point the finger at what ever group you want you can level your accusation at whom you want. That will never change the fact that it is life and life must be protected!

Question: Why is it that you spend a majority of your blogs attacking the person and not the idea? Isn't that the first sign of a poor argument?

REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM!

Answer 3

Check out the Hebrew text meaning.

וְכִי-יִנָּצוּ אֲנָשִׁים, וְנָגְפוּ אִשָּׁה הָרָה וְיָצְאוּ יְלָדֶיהָ, וְלֹא יִהְיֶה, אָסוֹן--עָנוֹשׁ יֵעָנֵשׁ, כַּאֲשֶׁר יָשִׁית עָלָיו בַּעַל הָאִשָּׁה, וְנָתַן, בִּפְלִלִים. 22 And if men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart, and yet no harm follow, he shall be surely fined, according as the woman's husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
כג וְאִם-אָסוֹן, יִהְיֶה--וְנָתַתָּה נֶפֶשׁ, תַּחַת נָפֶשׁ. 23 But if any harm follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

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"And if men strive together, and hurt a woman with child"

If men fight and hurt a "woman with child", a pregnant woman,

and a "woman with child" automatically considers pregnancy to be two people, a woman and a child.


"so that her fruit depart, and yet no harm follow"

The child is born but not harmed,

If Labor and birth are caused by the fight-

"he shall be surely fined, according as the woman's husband shall lay upon him"

The man who caused this is automatically fined what the husband choses.

"and he shall pay as the judges determine."

Then the judges decides how it will be paid out.

"But if any harm follow, then thou shalt give life for life..."

This speaks pretty clearly. If the child dies the man is to be killed who caused it.

It looks like a much harsher judgment than anything applied today,

to make the harm of a "woman with child" (notice a pregnancy is called a woman with child)

a strict taboo protected by automatic judgment and if the child dies the penalty of death, even if it was not done intentionally.

In addition, if the child is damaged the man who caused it has the same inflicted on himself.

This is strong protection of "women with child" in all cases, and clearly the penalties depend on causing a birth by harming the woman,

specifying the penalty for each outcome of the child- live, dead, and every kind of injury to the child.

The center of this law is the child and all penalties, including death, are based on the child's condition and outcome.

Answer 4

The article was good, but facts are murder is WRONG, and should be thought so, in anyone's book. Anyone who thinks abortion, which IS killing a living being, IS OK, IS WRONG, and MURDER! A growing anything, at such a youthful time, cannot defend themselves, in order to live, instead of dying, against those older and prepared to take away their growth, and beginning life! THOSE are the facts! God help those who deem they have the RIGHT to kill innocents.
I consider a person who commits abortion on their own child, VERY much like a terrorist!

Answer 5

I personally do not live my life by the bible. After reading your link, that quote sounds like a law rather than a moral belief.

Answer 6

Great link. Too bad it is a lie.

That is NOT the only passage that addresses the unborn child. Yet pro-abortionists will say and do anything to justify the unjustifiable.

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Psalm 139:13
For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.
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Genesis 25:23
The LORD said to her, "Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you will be separated; one people will be stronger than the other, and the older will serve the younger."

Deuteronomy 28:11
The LORD will grant you abundant prosperity—in the fruit of your womb,


- ...and hundreds more. Tell that person who wrote the article to either study the bible before making false quotes, or to quit lying to people altogether. You don't have to believe in God to agree that lying to people is wrong. -

edit: Will I receive BA for directly and honestly refuting this claim OR is BA reserved only for those who agree?

Answer 7

As you can see the first two answers live by the mighty words of moveon and Soros and believe killing is a right (as long as it is an innocent child and not a terrorists)

Answer 8

The law applies to an accident.

Answer 9

Go for it, Chi Guy!!!

Answer 10

Fairy tales should have no bearings on medical procedures.