Greece vs. Macedonia over Alexander the Great?

Question

I need your opinion.

Answer 1

First about Macedonians:They had kingdom before arrival of Greeks.Greeks come with already distinct culture, with own letters and art. There Greeks letter before 1500 BC in Athens,
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Athena-Writes-Back-Responds/dp/0822327171
since in Macedonia first Greeks letters are founded in 5 century BC. Macedonians are proto Slavs people, there not Archaeological evidence about Slavs near Carpates and big arrival of Slavs, opposite, Balkan is mother lend of all Slavs people,little number of Slavs beck from territories to day Russia in 6 century AC to protect and help own brothers but not in big number.(Historic Grinevic)

Relations between Greece and Macedonia started when grand pa of Alexander the Great sow danger from Persia about Macedonia and decide to make Greece friend, he is refereed from Greeks, Alexander fileman, meaning friend of Greek. His son Philip make strong army, even he won Greeks in Cheronea, he gave them respect because he needed Greeks protect from sea. Philip married Ilirian princes Olimpia, she born him Alexander, Alexander made dream of his father truth congrued Persia.
But, son of Alexander the Great, Alexander 4 was killed when he was 13 years old. Greeks states long time was part of Macedonian kingdom, in 168 AC, I think Roma Empire took Macedonian kingdom and Macedonia divided on 4 parts, meridi. After this start big Golgotha for Macedonian people, they are forced to be Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs, but children of Alexander the Great are still here, he strongly keep own Macedonian name beside big troubles.New evidence about language of Alexander the Great are Calash and Nuristan in Pakistan who have many words fro modern Macedonian language, language who speak people in Republic of Macedonia, Pirin and Aegean Macedonia:
fingernail-nuct
tounge-zaban
blood-wina
root-iznos
tomato-patingel
dog-kuta
spider-upalak
man-mosh
father-tat
mother-nan
daughter-chi
husband-mosh
bad-xarab
hot-tapala,pech
right-da
drink-pi
There are so many Macedonian words:
http://www.shamema.com/kalasha.htm
Here are good links:
http://www.ancientmacedonia.com/
http://www.prah.net/europaveneta/augustan/updateonveneti.htm

Answer 2

That question has no real meaning since whatever serious book about ancient history either primary or secondary sources the result is the same:the ancient kingdom of Macedonia (Alexander's homeland was but the northernmost part of Greece and the modern statelet which tgries dilligently to usurp that name is in the same degree relative of the original Macedonia as the present -day Tunisians are descedants of the Cartaginians!In other world Scopjians have absoluterly no realationship with the Ancient kingdom which was emphaticaly Greek!

Answer 3

alexander the greay conqured 3/4 of the ancient world you tell me

Answer 4

Macedonia is is northern Greece. Macedonia is Greek, it always was and it always will be. Alexander the Great was a Greek.

The usage of "Macedonian" as a nationality was an invention of Marshal Josip Broz Tito in 1944. Tito, the communist dictator of Yugoslavia, created a false "Macedonian" ethnic consciousness among his south Slavic citizens for a number of reasons, including his campaign against Greece to gain control of Greece's province of Macedonia and the main prize of the major port city of Thessaloniki. Until Tito changed the name, this province was named Vardar Banovina.

There is no unqualified universally accepted rule of international law that authorizes a state to name itself anything it wants. It is not proper for a country which is part of a region to define itself officially as representing the whole region.

Alexander the Great was GREEK, and no matter how hard people try to change his nationality, it will never happen.

Answer 5

"Greece" had not existed as a state in the past. Macedonia did. Macedonia destroyed Greek cities, as Olint and Teba.
Macedonian language had been considered as barbarian among the Greeks.
Macedonian gods were different than Greek....
Even today, Greeks feel genetic suffer and fear from descent of Alexander.

Answer 6

Alexander the great was from authentic Macedonia of Greece (the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedon).
He has no relation with a new Balkan state which is the (Slavic/Albanian)Macedonia.
Alexander (Greek “ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ” (ALEXANDROS) is considered the greatest hero of Greece. He was called great for several reasons.
He was the first who managed to unite all the Greek states and build a gigantic Greek Empire which expanded from Greece to India (really big!!). He was the first person who took the title “Emperor of Greece”.
He spread Greek language and Greek culture through out the world paving the way to Christianity.
He fused Greek culture with Asian Elements forming the culture that was called Hellenistic (from “Hellenic” meaning “Greek”).
The new Balkan state of (Slavic/Albanian)Macedonia was part of Yugoslavia.
Unfortunately under Tito’s communist dictatorship a vast propaganda took place in the small state (a Yugoslavian republic then) that tried to fabricate a new identity. This is the reason why some of the Slav-Macedonians actually believe that they connect with the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedonia and they claim part of Greek history as theirs. (Of course no scholar in the world connects the modern Slavs of Slavic/Albanian-Macedonia with the ancient Macedonians and even their government has clearly stated that they are not related to Alexander the Great and his Greek Macedonia)
Officialy the government of Slavic/Albanian Macedonia doesn’t claim any connection with Alexander the great and authentic Macedonia of Greece.
Also the (Slavic/Albanian) Macedonia is negotiating with Greece (under the UN authority) for an international name that will not insult the Greeks and will not have any claim against Greek Macedonia.
the first President of
(Slavic/Albanian)Macedonia, Kiro Gligorov said: “We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35). Also, Mr Gligorov declared: "We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia… Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century" (Toronto Star, March 15, 1992).
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/thestar/access/453344711.html?did=453344711&FMT=ABS&FMTS=FT&date=Mar+15%2C+1992&author=Dusko+Doder+SPECIAL+TO+THE+STAR&pub=Toronto+Star&desc=History+never+dies+in+Balkans
On 22 January 1999, Ambassador of the FYROM to USA, Ljubica Achevska gave a speech on the present situation in the Balkans. In answering questions at the end of her speech Mrs. Acevshka said: "We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great … Greece is Macedonia’s second largest trading partner, and its number one investor. Instead of opting for war, we have chosen the mediation of the United Nations, with talks on the ambassadorial level under Mr. Vance and Mr. Nemitz." In reply to another question about the ethnic origin of the people of FYROM, Ambassador Achevska stated that "we are Slavs and we speak a Slav language”.
On 24 February 1999, in an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM'S Ambassador to Canada, admitted, "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented, “There is some confusion about the identity of the people of my country".
Moreover, the Foreign Minister of the FYROM, Slobodan Casule, in an interview to Utrinski Vesnik of Skopje on December 29, 2001, said that he mentioned to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria, Solomon Pasi, that they "belong to the same Slav people.”
Herodotus gives clear descriptions for the Greek origin of the Macedonians using their own words: “... Had I not greatly at heart the common welfare of Greece I should not have come to tell you; but I AM MYSELF GREEK by descent, and I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery.... consider the risk I have run, out of zeal for the Greek cause, to acquaint you with what Mardonius intends, and to save you from being surprised by the barbarians. I am Alexander of Macedon."
(Herodotus, The Histories, 9.45)
and >"Tell your king who sent you how a Greek his viceroy of Macedonia has received you hospitably... "
(Herodotus V, 20, 4)
and >"Now that the men of this family are Greeks, sprung from Perdiccas, as they themselves affirm, is a thing which I can declare on my own knowledge, and which I will hereafter make plainly evident. That they are so has been already adjudged by those who manage the Pan-Hellenic contest at Olympia"
(Herodotus, the Histories 8.43)
and > "...but the Dorians on the contrary have been constantly on the move; their home in Deucalion's reign was Phthiotis and in the reign of Dorus son of Hellen the country known as Histiaeotis in the neighbourhood of Ossa and Olympus; driven from there by the Cadmeians they settled in Pindus and were known as Macedons; thence they migrated to Dryopis, and finally to the Peloponnese, where they got their present name of Dorians."
And “Arrian, "Anabasis of Alexander"
"There are Greek troops, to be sure, in Persian service -- but how different is theirs cause from ours ! They will be fighting for pay--- and not much of it at that; we on the contrary shall fight for Greece, and our hearts will be in it."
(Arrian, 11.7)
"But Alexander said, `If I were not Alexandros, I should be Diogenes'; that is to say: `If it were not my purpose to combine barbarian things with things Greek, to traverse and civilize every continent, to search out the uttermost parts of land and sea, to push the bounds of Macedonia to the farthest Ocean, and to spread and shower the blessings of the Greek justice and peace over every nation, I should not be content to sit quietly in the luxury of idle power, but I should emulate the frugality of Diogenes. But as things are, forgive me Diogenes, that I imitate Heracles, and emulate Pursues, and follow in the footsteps of Dionysus, the divine author and PROGENOTOR of my family, and desire that VICTORIOUS GREEKS should dance again in India and revive the memory of the Bacchic revels among the savage mountain tribes beyond the Kaukasos...' "
(Plutarchos, On the Fortune of Alexander, 332 a-b)
There are of course many more quotes but not enough room!
Of course every modern historian agrees that the Ancient Macedonians were Greeks.
Nicholas Hamond from Cambridge University.
\And Malcolm Errington, ‘A History of Macedonia’ (University of California Press, February 1993, pg 3) "That the Macedonians and their kings did in fact speak a dialect of Greek and bore Greek names may be regarded nowadays as certain." And “Ancient allegations that the Macedonians were non-Greeks all had their origin in Athens at the time of the struggle with Philip II. Then as now, political struggle created the prejudice. The orator Aeschines once even found it necessary, to defend Philip on this issue and describe him at a meeting of the Athenian Popular Assembly as being 'Entirely Greek'. ….their fundamental Greek nationality was never doubted. " And even Eugene Borza who at first was not sure if the ancient Macedonians were pure Greeks he is know clearly convinced!!!!!! “ Eugene N. Borza, ‘Makedonika’ Regina Books, Claremont CA "Our understanding of the Macedonians' emergence into history is confounded by two events: the establishment of the Macedonians as an identifiable ethnic group, and the foundation of their ruling house. The "HIGHLANDERS" or "MAKEDONES" of the mountainous regions of western Macedonia ARE DERIVED FROM NORTHWEST GREEK STOCK; THEY WERE AKIN BOTH TO THOSE WHO AT AN EARLIER TIME MAY HAVE MIGRATED SOUTH TO BECOME THE HISTORICAL "DORIANS", and to other Pindus tribes who were the ancestors of the Epirotes or Molossians. That is, we may suggest that NORTHWEST GREECE PROVIDED A POOL OF INDO-EUROPEAN SPEAKERS OF PROTO-GREEK from which were drawn the tribes who later were known by different names as they established their regional identities in separate parts of the country." And "First, the matter of the Greek origins of the Macedonians: Nicholas Hammond's general conclusion (though not the details of his arguments)that the origin of the Macedonians lies in the pool of proto-Greek speakers who migrated out of the Pindus mountains during the Iron Age, is acceptable."
And these Robin Lane Fox, Richard Stoneman, Ulrich Wilcken ,John V.A. Fine ,A. B. Bossworth ,Ernst Badian ,Charles Edson, Thomas Martin, Hermann Bengtson , Paul Cartledge , A.R. Burn ,Peter Green ,Mary Renault ,J.M. Roberts,R. M. Cook,Francois Chamoux ,Bevan ,Peter Tsouras ,Lewis Vance Cummings ,D.G Hogarth ,L.S. Stavrianos
Martin Sicker ,Graham Shipley ,Richard Gabriel, Michael Cage, Samuel Eddy ,René Grousset ,Anthony E. David ,Donald R. Dudley THEY ALL AGREE THAT ANCIENT MACEDONIANS WERE GREEKS.