Why the only Macedonia is GREEK....?

Question

First of all i have to say some things about this country (skopja). They must learn to respect their neighbours because it is a bug on the map. It can be alive as much USA wants and as much USA is still strong... USA is falling slowly slowly....So skopja must understand than soon will be their end too...

Now i do not read history books from american historians for two reasons...a) they cannot know the europe history because their country is as a child comparing with europe countries. Than means that all the history books are written in languages that they donot know how these languages are. b) It has been proven that in USA you can buy whatever you want even a good history book to support some countries, to buy votes, to buy a lot of things....

The reasons the only Macedonia is Greek.
1) Alexander the Great was speaking only one Language Ancient Greek
2) Alexander's teachers were Greeks.
3) Alexander's child heroes were Greeks.
4) Macedonian Capital was Pella that is in Greece.

5) Macedonian's Kings Graves are in Pella in Greece.
6)Before Alexander the Great start the war with the persians, is written in history that first won the barbarians at the north (Skopja,Bulgaria and Albania)
7) He Start the war with the Rest of The GREEKS (Except Spartans) and he brough with him great GREEK Teachers, Historian and other.
8)Skopja have their Alphabet at least 2000 thousands years after the Greeks. And they took a kind of alphabet from Kyril and Methodio with the Rest of the Slavian nation and the Russians.

You are very right... Can i ask where are you from? How you know all these? Thank you for your answer because i get seek of finding on internet big propaganda sites and major sites or hoster donot want to to anything about that...thank you

CaptainAlbania, When you mention orthodox you must search in history and see that all the religion made the biggest crimes...Muslims with holy wars, Katholics with the holy wars and more, protestants with the witch hunting in north of europe. Orthodoxs have the less killings and most of them were against greeks that believed in 12 gods of Olympus....

About the language now that someone skopjan said the language of skopja is a slavic language. Kyril and Methodios gave their alfabet around 700 ac. Both of them were greeks monks from Byzantine empire... Almost the balkans nation and almost all the ex soviet countries have the same roots.. that why they have same letters...

About the other that said that skopja recognized their name let inform something... DID YOU COUNTRY EVER SAID TO YOU THAT IT WILL BE VETO OVER THE NAME FOR NATO AND EUROPIAN NATION OR YOU STILL LIVE IN ILLUSIONS? YOU ARE A **** ON THE MAP THAT SOON WILL BE CLEARED... ENJOY IT UNTIL THEN :)

Answer 1

It is true that the historical Macedonia is the region of authentic Macedonia of Greece.
There is also a Balkan
republic of Slavic/Albanian-Macedonia but it has no relation with authentic Macedonia of Greece.
Authentic-Macedonia is one of the biggest regions of Greece. It is situated in the north part of Greece and it borders 3 Balkan states.
The ancient Macedonia was a Greek kingdom and it was roughly the same size as the modern region of Macedonia. From the Greek state of Macedonia Alexander started his epic campaign of spreading the Greek culture and the Greek civilization all over the known word. His campaign was so successful that for nearly 300 years Greek (Hellenistic) Kingdoms controlled Asia Minor, Middle East, Egypt and even the north part of India.
All the monuments and inscriptions found in the Macedonia are written in Greek language. All the inscriptions on coins and other artifacts are written in Greek. There are no ancient monuments with a different language. Furthermore there are a large number of discoveries in Asia in the route of Alexander the Great. All these monuments, discovered in Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, India and many more countries, prove that Alexander’s quest was Greek and that his goal was to spread the Greek civilization all over the world. (Not to mention that Alexander founded 70 Greek cities with most important the city of Alexandria! and he is responsible for the spreading of the Greek culture and language all the way to India!)
Here are some official statements from the Government of FYROM (Makedonija or Slavic-Macedonia)
here is what the first President of FYROM (Slav Macedonia), Kiro Gligorov said: “We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35). Also, Mr Gligorov declared: "We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia… Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century" (Toronto Star, March 15, 1992).
On 22 January 1999, Ambassador of the FYROM to USA, Ljubica Achevska gave a speech on the present situation in the Balkans. In answering questions at the end of her speech Mrs. Acevshka said: "We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great … Greece is Macedonia’s second largest trading partner, and its number one investor. Instead of opting for war, we have chosen the mediation of the United Nations, with talks on the ambassadorial level under Mr. Vance and Mr. Nemitz." In reply to another question about the ethnic origin of the people of FYROM, Ambassador Achevska stated that "we are Slavs and we speak a Slav language”.
On 24 February 1999, in an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM'S Ambassador to Canada, admitted, "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented, “There is some confusion about the identity of the people of my country".
Moreover, the Foreign Minister of the FYROM, Slobodan Casule, in an interview to Utrinski Vesnik of Skopje on December 29, 2001, said that he mentioned to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria, Solomon Pasi, that they "belong to the same Slav people.”
Further more the Former Slav-Macedonian prime minister Georgievski and founder of VMRO-DPMNE declared that he always nurtured a Bulgarian ethnic consciousness, and that he is willing to challenge a panel of academics by opposing the "official historiography" with a pro-Bulgarian view.
He stated that ,in the evening political talk show led by the A1 TV station editor-journalist Aleksandar Čomovski, during a marathon interview about OKTA affair, his current engagement in the politics of Bulgaria, Ohrid Agreement, 2001 affairs and present security crisis including his plan for partitioning of FYROM.
Let me also add my favorite quote from Plutarch :
"But he(Alexander) said, `If I were not Alexandros, I should be Diogenes'; that is to say: `If it were not my purpose to combine barbarian things with things GREEK, to traverse and civilize every every continent, to search out the uttermost parts of land and sea, to push the bounds of Macedonia to the farthest Ocean, and to diseminate and shower the blessings of the GREEK justice and peace over every nation, I should not be content to sit quietly in the luxury of idle power, but I should emulate the frugality of Diogenes. But as things are, forgive me Diogenes, that I imitate Herakles, and emulate Perseus, and follow in the footsteps of Dionysos, the divine author and progenitor of my family, and desire that victorius GREEK should dance again in India and revive the memory of the Bacchic revels among the savage mountain tribes beyond the Kaukasos...' "
(Plutarchos, On the Fortune of Alexander, 332 a-b)

Answer 2

The earliest surviving written music is medieval gregorian chant. We know there was a lot of composed/written music before that but none has survived.

Answer 3

http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/ConciseMacedonia/Documents.html

Answer 4

I think questioner is not from Greece, he is Greek Canadian or similarly and he take wrong picture from Greek propaganda against Macedonia.
First he have wrong picture about Republic of Macedonia. Republic of Macedonia is victim of Greece. Do not forget big Greek companies,many, many who smoke money from Republic of Macedonia, short investitions from which Macedonia haven't nothing, Questioner also forget big number of Macedonians who every day visit Greece for shopping and sea and they give, much money.
If Macedonians were together with some of Greek tribes, ( Spartans didn't support Macedonians)against Persia before 2500 years ago, that totally do not make Macedonia Greek, with that logic Greece should be part of Macedonia.
You forget period under Roma empire, are Greece and Macedonia, part of Italy, no, absolutely not. Are in this day Greeks and Macedonians, Turkish because they were under Ottoman Empire? Absolutely, not.Macedonian capital Pela is in Aegean Macedonia, occupied part of Greece after 1913 and sure you can find many Americans, Chines who read ancient Greeks Myths and know everything about Greeks Gods, but Chines who love ancient Greek are not Greek, he is Chinese, simply.

Answer 5

If Alexander the Great was alive today he would be disgusted with your modern Greece. The Orthodox fantism, the beating of foreigners, the cultural genocide of the minorities in Greece. Alexander the Great stood for a unified world all people of different creeds, and races united under one flag pretty far from your modern Greece. I don't know what your point is but if you want the truth he was Illyrian and that makes him Albanian by default because Albanians are the direct descendants of the Illyrians.

Answer 6

Very eloqently said!

Answer 7

Macedonia is known to have been inhabited since Paleolithic times. Its recorded history began with the emergence of the ancient kingdom of Macedon centred somewhere between the northern part of Greek Macedonia and the Bitola district in the south of the present-day Republic of Macedonia. By 500 BC, the early Macedonian kingdom had become subject to the Persian Empire but played no significant part in the wars between the Persians and the Greeks.

King Alexander I of Macedon (died 450 BC) was the first Macedonian king to play a significant role in Greek politics, promoting the adoption of the Attic dialect and culture. The Hellenic character of Macedon grew over the next century until, under the rule of Philip II of Macedon, Macedon extended its power in the 4th century BC over the rest of northern Greece. Philip's son Alexander the Great created an even bigger empire, not only conquering the rest of Greece but also seizing control of the Persian Empire, Egypt and lands as far east as the fringes of India.

Much of the impetus towards the creation of this common identity was provided by Alexander the Great. Alexander's conquests produced a lasting extension of Greek culture and thought across the ancient Near East, but his empire broke up on his death. His generals divided the empire between them, founding their own states and dynasties - notably Antigonus I, Antipater, Lysimachus, Perdiccas, Ptolemy I, and Seleucus I. Macedon itself was taken by Cassander, who ruled it until his death in 297 BC. Antigonus II took control in 277 BC following a period of civil strife. During his long reign, which lasted until 239 BC, he successfully restored Macedonian prosperity despite losing many of the subjugated Greek city-states. His successor Antigonus III (reigned 229 BC-221 BC) re-established Macedonian power across the region.

Macedon sovereignty was brought to an end at the hands of the rising power of Rome in the 2nd century BC. Philip V of Macedon took his kingdom to war against the Romans in two wars during his reign (221 BC-179 BC). The First Macedonian War (215 BC-205 BC) was fairly successful for the Macedonians but Philip was decisively defeated in the Second Macedonian War in (200 BC-197 BC). Although he survived war with Rome, his successor Perseus of Macedon (reigned 179 BC-168 BC) did not; having taken Macedon into the Third Macedonian War in (171 BC-168 BC), he lost his kingdom when he was defeated. Macedonia was initially divided into four republics subject to Rome before finally being annexed in 146 BC as a Roman province.

I want to make clear that when Alexander the Great waged war on some of the Greek city-states, it was not to take them over but unite them... He shared his teacher's dream Aristotle of a united Greece. Also Alexander the Great considered himself to be Greek. Also it is very offensive that FYROM was attempting to use symbols and landmarks that are well within the Greek borders even today (it would be like Canada printing money with the Statue of Liberty on them.) It is a clear attack on OUR heritage and history and we will not stand for it. Unfortunately, I am forced to stereotype the actions as of those of Gypsies who wander and take whatever they can. This is wrong and outright illegal. So this is not about human rights this is about recognizing a government and a sovereign state. Well we do recognize YOU. We recognize you (FYROM) as THEIVES and PIRATES who attack and plunder our heritage and history and we will deal with this matter as peacefully as possible and within the terms of international law but we will deal with it.
Greeks and TRUE Macedonians are one and the same, what is the problem with the imposters and thieves of OUR history? Why can't you get your own? And don't say you have your own because it is like Italy trying to revive the Roman Empire (which by the way it is the Roman Province of Macedonia that shows current FYROM territories as so large as today, Ancient Macedon shows them to be much smaller but that would lessen FYROM's claims... they do not like to point that out... once a SLAV always a SLAV). It is not realistic or fair to the world community. Learn to respect and not steal from us and then complain when we call you out on it.

Answer 8

Man, don't worry, I understand. You are just one Greek in panic, now when the world is starting to recognize Macedonia after it's constitional name, REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA. First Russia, China, tthan USA, than Canada... But don't worry, we are not coming after our land, we just want good relations

see ya ;o)

Ancient Macedonians were not Greek. Alexander the Great razed Greek cities to the ground, sold the Greek inhabitants as slaves, destroyed Greek religious temples and monuments. Macedonians were called barbarians, a label that the ancient Greeks attributed only to all non-Greeks.

About the language, it should be no surprise that Alexander introduced the standard koine Greek language for his multi-ethnic empire. For that Greek language was already the only international language on which the people in antiquity communicated prior to the Macedonian conquest (just like English is international language today). The Macedonians were smart enough to keep this international Greek language for the Persians, Egyptians, Jews, and all the nations of his empire to communicate. Forcing all those people to learn now a new foreign Macedonian language (or any other one) would have only provoked an additional hatred and multi-ethnic resistance for the Macedonian occupation of Asia, Egypt, and Greece, which the Macedonians did not wanted to face. Unlike the Roman Empire, there was no single powerful centralized Macedonian Empire, but three fragile Macedonian kingdoms (Macedonia, Asia, Egypt) which were occasionally in conflict with each other, and the Macedonians needed such language standardization to help them maintain their power. That of course, does not mean that although the Macedonians, Persians, Egyptians, Jews, now communicated in Greek, that they all turned into Greeks, just like the African nations did not turn into English because of their usage of that language to communicate among themselves. What is for certain is that Alexander spoke Macedonian with his own Macedonian troops and used Greek in addressing the Asians and Greeks. After all, the Macedonians were his kinsmen (precisely the way he calls them), not the Greeks. All these sources, both ancient and modern, specifically refer to Macedonian as a language and not as a dialect of Greek, and Alexander himself specifically calls the Macedonian - "our native language". During the trial of Philotas, Alexander himself clearly distinguishes his native Macedonian language from the Greek language which as a second language at the Macedonian court alongside with Macedonian, was used in diplomacy, a fact we found in the Philotas trial (Q. Curtius Rufus).


And YUP, Phillip II was born in Pella, but the thing is that that part of Macedonia greeks got (anexed) only after Balkan Wars. In the early 20th century, Greeks were Minority in the Eagean part of Macedonia, which was populated mostly by
Macedonians and Jews.

After Macedonia's annexation and partition in 1912-1913, Greece instituted policies to forcibly assimilate the Macedonian population within its newly acquired territories. Those who could not be assimilated were either executed or expelled from the country.
Macedonians who would not comply with Greece's racist policies became political refugees, seeking shelter throughout the world. Most of them emigrated to Europe, Canada, the United States and later to Australia. By sheer force and terror, Greece managed to silence the Macedonians living within its borders.
1. Among others, there is a Macedonian national minority living in Greece, which Greece refuses to recognize on the absurd pretence that the Modern Greek state is racially homogeneous. Greece categorically denies the existence of any ethnic or national minorities living within its borders and misrepresents itself as being a pure state.
2. Greece still refuses to acknowledge its northern neighbour, the Republic of Macedonia, by its constitutional name on the pretence that it has territorial claims against Greece. To ease Greek anxieties the Macedonian parliament went so far as to modify its constitution to explicitly state that Macedonia has no territorial claims toward any of its neighbours.
Greece, along with its allies Serbia and Bulgaria, annexed Macedonia by force in 1912 and partitioned it in 1913 without the consent of the Macedonian people. As a result of this forceful act, Greece illegally acquired 51% of Macedonia's territory, which it immediately named "New Territories". A few years later as it consolidated its power and control over the Macedonian people, Greece renamed the "New Territories" to "Northern Greece". Then during the late 1980's, when it became clear that the Republic of Macedonia was going to declare its independence from Yugoslavia, Greece renamed "Northern Greece" to "Macedonia" or more precisely "Makethonia".. Let me also remind them that during the Metaxas period use of the term "Macedonia" was suppressed. Greece was more than willing to be rid of the name Macedonia until the late 1980s when it became clear that Yugoslavia was disintegrating and the Macedonians wanted independence.
While the Republic of Macedonia has made enormous efforts to become democratic in every respect, especially in the recognition of its minorities and in fostering and promoting multiculturalism, Greece, has done the opposite.
Greece has tirelessly worked to eradicate and silence its minorities through torture, intimidation, assimilation and expulsion. As a consequence of such racist policies, today there are hundreds of thousands of Macedonians living in the Diaspora. To this we can include the tens of thousands of Macedonian refugee children who were evacuated during the Greek Civil War and who are still denied re-entry because they refuse to falsify their Macedonian heritage and declare themselves as "Greeks by genus."
If I may add, if Greece truly believes "historic Macedonia is Greek" why did it sign the Treaty of Bucharest on August 10, 1913 agreeing to divide it between itself, Serbia and Bulgaria? Why did Greece, while signing this treaty, not complain to the Great Powers that the entire territory of historic "Macedonia belonged to Greece"?
If Greece truly believed the name "Macedonia is Greek" why didn't it NOT complain when the Peoples' Republic of Macedonia was declared part of the Yugoslav federacy in 1945?
Also, if Greece is so much concerned about other nations using the name "Macedonia" why has it not complained to the United States of America for its use of the name Macedonia in US territory? Why is it that only Macedonians are not allowed to call their country Macedonia?
If "Macedonians are Greek", why did Greece change all Macedonian toponyms, family and given names to Greek sounding ones? Why did Greece forbid the use of the Macedonian language and made it illegal in Macedonia?
If "Macedonians are Greek" from many centuries ago, why did Greece implement assimilation policies to forcibly turn Macedonians into Greeks?
If "Macedonians are Greek", why then are Macedonians born in Greece, who left Greece, not allowed to return? Are there two kinds of Macedonians living in Greece? Those who feel Macedonian and those who serve the Greek cause?
If "Macedonians are Greeks" after all these years, why hasn't Greece recognized them as a distinct national Macedonian minority? By "Macedonians" I mean those Macedonian people who are indigenous to the Macedonia territory that is today under Greek control. By Macedonian people I mean those people that lived in Macedonia before the 1912/1913 occupation and annexation. By Macedonian people I don't mean those people who were imported from Asia Minor and settled on Macedonian territory during the early 1920's or those people who were imported from Albania, the Caucuses and other realms.


This phenomenon is like a sickness that sprang up just before the Republic of Macedonia declared its independence from Yugoslavia. You see the Greek Government is so paranoid about being discovered for having illegally expropriated Macedonian lands and having committed atrocities against the Macedonian people, that every time there is a mention of anything Macedonian it becomes very defensive. What Greece is doing is in fact trying to confuse the world about who Macedonians are. If the Republic of Macedonia has Macedonians then so does Greece. After all Greece occupies 51% of the Macedonian lands, how could it justify its position without uncovering its deeds? Unfortunately Greece will try anything, even confusing its own people in order to hide from them and from the world its own past. Before the 1980's there was no such thing as a "Greek-Macedonia" or "Greek-Macedonians", there was only "Northern Greece" and "Greeks", now there is a "Greek-Macedonia" populated by "Greek-Macedonians". What next?
51% of Macedonia was occupied and annexed by Greece after the second Balkan War in 1913. At that time the ethnicities living in Macedonia were a large majority of indigenous Macedonians and smaller minorities of Vlachs, Albanians, Jews, Turks and others.
Upon occupying Macedonia the Greek State ethnically cleansed the population by forcibly assimilating most of it and that which couldn't be assimilated was either expelled or outright murdered. Then in the early 1920's the Muslim population was cleansed by deporting most Muslims to Turkey and importing a large Christian Turk population from Asia Minor and other parts of Turkey. After all that was done, Greece conducted a census and declared to the world that is was pure Greek.

About Tito - FACT: The Socialist (Peoples') Republic of Macedonia was formed in 1944 based on Tito's recognition and acceptance of a separate and distinct Macedonian ethnicity within the Yugoslav federation.
How could one man with the stroke of a pen convince millions of people to drop their current nationality and opt for one that did not exist?
What did Tito offer these people for them to want to be Macedonian so badly?
How did Tito manage to teach all those people the Macedonian language not only in Yugoslavia but also in Greece, Bulgaria, the USA, Canada, Australia, Europe, Russia, South America, Asia, Africa and the world over? And how did he do it in less than one decade?
Most importantly, how did Tito, when he was just a child less than eleven years old, influence the Macedonians to rise up against the Turks in 1903?
Why didn't Greece object to Tito when he allegedly created the Macedonian nation in 1944?
Why didn't Greece object to the name "Socialist (Peoples') Republic of Macedonia" in 1944?
Most Greeks believe Tito artificially created the Macedonian Nation in order to make claims on the so called "Greek Macedonia" (Greek occupied Macedonia).
Most Greeks also believe that the "Skopjans", as the Greeks like to call them today, want to name their country Republic of Macedonia because they still have territorial aspirations towards "Greek Macedonia". More specifically, most Greeks believe the Skopjans want to annex "Greek Macedonia" for themselves.

The truth is Tito did not create the Macedonian nation and as I mentioned earlier, Tito recognized and accepted the existence of a Macedonian ethnicity within his own country, Yugoslavia.
Further, allow me to remind the Greeks that their State acquired Macedonian territories by conquest against the wishes of the Macedonian people and therefore no part of Macedonia belongs to Greece. It never did and it never will. "Greek Macedonia" in reality is Greek occupied Macedonia.
For evidence on the existence of Macedonians throughout the ages (that is before Tito's time) see http://www.oshchima.com/hdocs.htm

Macedonia was the region ruled by the kings of Macedon, a small kingdom located in a region the Ancient Greeks called Thrace (most of the coastal area of south-eastern Europe). Just how much territory was controled by Macedon in uncertain, but most scholars agree the most north-eastern part of modern-day Greece, parts of Bulgaria, The Republic of Macedonia and Seria were part of this kingdom.

The problems surrounding the question of "who is Macedonian" dates back to an era LONG before Homer's "Illiad". The first inhabitants of Greece were conquered by a group of people who spoke a very ancient form of Greek called Doric. This group was then conquered by a group that spoke a similar language called Ionic. Eventually these three peoples mixed and created the Greeks. Towards the end of this cultural meld, a thrid group of people moved into the area, but stopped in the land of Trace and became the Macedonians.

Centuries passed and Greece was a hodge-podge of small, independant city-states that were constantly at war with each other. A few times in their past they were united under the banner of the strongest city-state (Sparta and then Athens), but those alliances quickly broke apart. They did, however, realized they were of the same stock as they shared a similar language, culture, religion and traditions. If anything, they were all distant cousins, not close family.

The Thracians/Macedonians, however, were NOT even distant family. They were considered to be just above barbarians as they spoke a language that sounded nothing like Greek, had no written form of their language, were constantly at war with the nomadic people the Romans would later call Gauls, and worshipped strange gods. It wasn't until Phillip of Macedon conquered and united all the Greek city-states under his rule that information about the Macedonians became abondant.

In an attempted to prove his people were just as enlightened as the Greeks by having his son, Alexander, tutored by the best known Greek scholars of the time (including Aristotle). When Phillip died, the Greek city-states tried to break away but Alexander re-conquered them and the trouble began. In an attempt fully unite the two nations, Alexander up-rooted a large chunk of the Greek populous from various cities and had them move into the regions of Macedonia. He then had many Macedonian families uprooted and moved into the lands of Greece. He hoped that buy merging the Greek and Macedonian blood-lines the two nations would be bounded by familial loyalty.

Alexander continued to do this (uprooting families and having them move to Macedonia while native Macedonians moved into the newly conquered nations) until his death in 323BC, at which point those who inherited his kingdom put at stop to the moving of populations.

Fast-forward a few centuires, past wars and conquerings and more uprootings of populations, it wasn't until very recently (sometime before the first World War) that Greece as we know it was finally unifed as one nation, bound by the fact that they were all, in essiance, Greeks. The Macedonians, being a much smaller populations, were seen as inferiors and were left to their own fate when the various conquering nations came through. They were never seen as Greeks.

Today, the various peoples in South-Eastern Europe with Macedonian blood are trying to get recognition as a population (with which comes certain rights not normally granted to un-recognized populations; a side issue I won't go into as I'm not THAT familiar with it), however centuries of bitterness, history and pride are making things very difficult. Also, those with Macedonian blood in regions like Afganistan, Egypt and Israel consider themselves Afganie, Egyptian and Israelie first and Macedonia second, making the list of supporters for the European Macedonians very slim.

What you Greeks are doing to Macedonians in Eagean Macedonia is CULTURAL GENOCIDE, where they don't have their basic rights to call them selves as they fell like (Macedonians) or the right to speak and study on their mother language.