is saying that size 12 is too fat ridiculous?

Question

a top modelling agency turns down the winner of "Make Me A Supermodel" a british tv show. do you think that's right??
i think she's gorgeous, myself. and saying size 12 is "fat" is a bit damaging to young girls, imo.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=482872&in_page_id=1879

also, take a look at the size 12 and her competition, the one that the modelling agency says has a "sensational" body. they don't say her size... i'm thinking... maybe a 1 or 2??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=418780&in_page_id=1773

i think this is great: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=483219&in_page_id=1879
using larger mannequins for their displays.

btw, these women that are a size 12 are within the healthy BMI range (they're around 19 i think). the skinny one is below healthy...

what do you think about this size issue???

"Schindler's Model" !!!
roflmfao!!!

i still find it odd that she has to model for a plus size company. size 12 isn't a plus size!!! that doesn't start till size 18 or 20 or something

sizes don't really correlate with BMIs very well; sizes are dependant on measurements. if two people are the same ht & wt they would have the same BMI, but if one person has more muscle & the other has more fat, the one with more muscle would wear a smaller size (have smaller measurements) than the one with more fat. it's also dependant on body type & bone structure a bit, but those tie in with the measurements.

Answer 1

That second model is ridiculously thin...there is no way you can maintain that body weight without starving yourself. The size 12 model looks healthy, and much more attractive.

This reminds of a friend I had in high school. She was a very beautiful girl, very tall, and thin; 5'11 and I would say she weighed about 130 or 135. She went to live with her father in New York for a year, and when she came back, she was terribly thin, emaciated really. It took some time for her to talk about it, but she finally told us that she was anorexic. She said that while while she was living in New York, she was approached by a photographer, and told that she had a "model look" and should go this agency he often did shoots for. Her dad checked it out, found out it was legit, and she went. The agent she talked to told her she looked great...they'd love to have her...IF she got her teeth fixed (she had one slightly crooked tooth in front) AND lost twenty pounds.
She couldn't afford the dental work, so she never went back. But that interview convinced her she was "fat", and she simply stopped eating. She told me that the only time she would ever really eat was on holidays, and then she would throw it up afterwards.
The ironic thing was that the agencies "advice" ruined her looks. She had been beautiful, but the disease destroyed her body and her spirit; her skin was sallow, her eyes hollow, and her self-esteem was ruined. It may seem silly to take something a modeling agent said so seriously, but remember, she was just a kid. Other young girls are getting the exact same message, just not as directly, everyday.

Answer 2

Ridiculous.(not you, the people you are talking about) I wish I was a size 12.

Actually, I believe size 16 is the start of plus size, or it used to be. Now it seems that double digit size = plus size.

Professor C, the size 12 model in the picture is 5' 11". If her BMI is 19, that means she is 136 lbs.(good gravy, that's just a couple of pounds over what my weight was when I was in shape, and I am 5' 2"). Clothing sizes for women aren't determined by their weight but by their bust, waist, and hip measurements. Yes, the bust, waist, hip measurements to be a size 12 on a woman that is short might put her in the overweight range, but those same measurements on a woman that is 9 inches taller put her in the normal weight range. Proportionately, I would say that a 5' 11" size 12 woman is equal to a 5' 2" size 6 to 8 woman.

I just now read the first article, and in that article it states that the size 12 model weighs 11 stone, which is about 154 lbs, that puts her BMI at 21.5, which is still within the normal range. Her legs are not fat, they are just bigger then what you are used to seeing on models. Not everyone is made to have legs with gaps between the thighs, and there is nothing wrong with that look.

Answer 3

Not to dispute you Professor, but I'm a size 10-12-14 (depends on how the clothing is cut) and my BMI is 17. Your BMI has everything to do with how much muscle tone to fat ratio you have. Muscle weighs more than fat, so I am considered obese by all the standard weight charts, I'm 5'3" and 150 lbs.

Weight and size mean nothing compared to how the body actually looks. I have an incredibly large bone structure, so dropping below 150 makes me look anorexic.
Yet, I've also been told numerous times that I'm "fat" because I wasn't "tiny". Not all women are built to be a size 2. Considering the size of my chest, I would look horrible (even without the large bone structure) if I were any smaller. Proportion is much more important than something arbitrary like pant size.

Sorry Prof, all I can tell you is what my doctor told me. I've had it done several times by other people as well (wrestling coach, martial arts instructor, aerobics instructor) but I kinda zoned out while they were doing it because I don't consider them to be health professionals. Now then, I'm not saying my doc can't be wrong...God knows he's only human and mistakes do happen, but I can only go on the information I've been told.
Your Blue Cross page shows up as unauthorized access. So not being able to see it I can't be sure, but I'm betting they are an insurance company. They use the charts that the government puts out. Those are the charts that say I should be (maximum weight) of 115. That puts me at more than the 30 lbs. overweight which (again, according to my doctor) means I'm obese.

Answer 4

The thing is, most of these models are considerably taller than the average woman. Because of that, a size 12 is not a plus size for them. If they get smaller than that, then they are starting to get too thin. I know because I happen to be tall myself. Since I've been an adult, I have never been smaller than a size 12 on the bottom and a size 10 on top. I was stick thin when I wore those sizes.

Answer 5

properly for sure you have made progression to drop from a 14 to a 12. don't be insulted by ability of your mum, rather use it as motivation to realize a ten! individually i would not objective for an 8. 8 is for certainly petite women human beings, and maximum uk women human beings are a ten upwards. that is totally confusing to maintain an 8 and that is in basic terms no longer necessary. Jennifer Lawrence from the starvation video games is a length 10/12 and he or she's stunning. save at it! you're extraordinarily much there. do no longer hassle with crash diets, in basic terms eat properly, get your 5 an afternoon and exercising (would not must be on the wellness club, in basic terms a 30 minute brisk stroll an afternoon will do).

Answer 6

There are horses for courses...and the size 12 model is perfect for photography. For a runway model, the way the industry is run, designers want the models to be human coat hangers....so that the body doesn't get in the way of the design of the clothing.

Being critical of a size 12 is ridiculous. She may not be right for runway work, but she is incredibly well suited to photography. And only the very best are well suited to both...

Answer 7

Sorry but size 12UK (USA 12 anyway) isn't a 19 BMI- VIV she definitely weighs MORE than 136-----In my opinion her legs are fat. We need to remember US and UK sizes are different. When I was in the UK this summer I was optimistic I would find clothes to fit me- one thing I find lacking in a semi- rural area where I live. I still could not find any. Although I did not see the number of obese/super obese people I see in the US - I could not find a US 4 there either.

If I was a size 12USA - I'd be about a 27. Right now I'm a 19.6.

5'3" and 150 is a BMI of 27 not obese just overweight - NOT 17.

I think an inbetween of the first two would be ideal. Generally a plus size model has to be a size 10 US or less- and a regular model a 0-1. Both unrealistic for the sizes they are modeling. Even if I was a couple of inches taller, I'm a size 4, I couldn't be a model.

Answer 8

Holy crap, Jen Hunter is gorgeous! That gal below her seemed to be showing signs of anemia--those circles under her eyes, the lack of fat (your body requires fat for so many things.)

A UK size 12 is close to our 10 I think. She and I are about the same size, although I'm about 4' 10" (147cm) tall. My main question is why so many models are so tall!!!

Answer 9

It's ridiculous.
Size 12 is not fat and that really skinny girl(I'm sorry) looks not real good at all with her bones sticking all out of her swimsuit.

Glad to be a size 12(bottoms) and 14(tops) but do get a bit annoyed when told that I'm on the heavy side. :S

Answer 10

I didn't bother to check the pics... I know my lady sizes, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with a size 12. Size 2 to size 22, it's all in how you carry it.