Black reading scores are lower than whites, is this because of CULTURAL influences or that they are poor?

Question

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=668748

The Editorial noted above is liberal garbage!
1. This is a study on URBAN blacks
2. These kids come from liberal-bought-and-paid-for "families" who see children as a meal ticket. I DEFY you to find a married inner city mom in this study. They don't exist.
3. Parents do not teach VALUES and MORALS in the inner city of Milwaukee. That is why 12 year old drug dealers and mothers are not the exception but the norm.
4. There were articles in the past about parents who did not send their children to school because they did not know where the school was or how to sign them up!!! How come suburban parents know how to do this?

HOW DO WE FIX THIS WITHOUT THROWING MORE MONEY AT THEM FOR...FREE EVERYTHING...when we see it is not working?

Answer 1

Cultural differences. Black families are usually composed of a single mother and no father and they have more than 1 child. (Sometimes a grandparent raises the children.) The father is usually replaced by the government with welfare, section 8 housing, food stamps and daycare vouchers. The way to fix it:

1. Eliminate as many social handouts as possible so that they will not be dependent on them.
2. Blacks need to demand better role models and strengthen the family unit so that the father is present and morals and values are taught.

When my son was young, I met a couple of black mothers at the grocery store and we started talking about our kid's futures. I talked about College for mine; their only hope was that their children would avoid prison. Totally different expectations.

Edit: I see some people are still using the Education argument. This has been proven incorrect time-and-time again. I don't know why people are still harping on the education issue except that they can't admit the truth. This is especially bad for the kids.

Answer 2

I believe post Katrina NOLA should have taught us what generational dependency on government causes.

It's time to end the assumption "Big" government programs can resolve poverty.
People need to be taught to fish and not given one.
Housing programs such as HUD section need to be closed. We need to cut these programs by 50% over the next 5 years, and end them in 10.
Entitlements have destroyed the Republic, and for you illinformed, The US is a Republic not a democracy!!

End all programs that pre-supposed hardship. Hell everyone has a hardship! If you don't work you don't eat.
We need to change the face of public education as well. As dysfunctional as the family is, the surrogate isn't much better.
I'd recommend that real fiscal conservatives run for school board with the intent of fiscal control, and when Labor contracts come due change the mode of conpensation from a union contract to individual performance and merit based raises.

Suburban schools aren't always much better then urban schools. They are just as dysfunctional (if not more so in some cases..)

In our area there are 19 school districts in 4 counties plus the primary city school district. The primary metro school spends close to $9000/per student per year, where the suburban districts some with as diverse a population as the primary district spend in the $7000-8000 range. The big difference is administrative overhead under the guise of forced desegration.

Schools need parents to be involved with their kids education. Too many people sh*t out kids and are kids themselves. This has to change. Breaking the cycle of that has been an experiment in the hands of educators for nearly 100 years. How about we get back to basics of education and have our teachers teach, we limit the amount of administrative costs and focus on core curriculum.
Teachers need to not take on the social worker roles but laws predicate they report abuse, neglect, (and they should).
The biggest problem in this country is not the "in the trench teacher", but it is the Union that represents them and the administrators that are empty suits and don't provide guidance and support for those they hire.

Black, White Hispanic, reading level ability is directly related to the child exercising the skill at school and at home. When the only thing a 1st grader reads is "Rainbow Fish " about the Fish society bleeding the riches off one fish and the book saying that it's ok for other fish to steal from him you know there is a problem. Indoctrination begins there We are parents need to be involved in the curriculum selection from the beginning of our children's lives. If you are not the results will be children who become men and women that barely read at a 4th grade level. I've met quite a few of these men and women over the past few years and high school college grads that can't read is beyond reason.

Answer 3

It's not because they are poor, otherwise how is it that the children of Latino immigrants generally rise above the poverty level? They grow up in households that speak little or no English, and they came here with much greater cultural differences to sort out, and yet they keep doing it.

I don't think generalizations can be made about race. There is also an emerging Black middle class, and plenty of affluent rich Blacks.

With intermarriage it's not even entirely clear where to draw the line on what is Black versus White.

We're all just people. Given freedom and some base of knowledge, and opportunity, of which the market has historically been the most effective generator, people can and do improve their lot - - - - without regard to the color of their skin.

Answer 4

One might say that being poor is a cultural influence. I'm not sure that you haven't set up a false dichotomy here.

Your first point is completely irrelevant. I'm sure that well-educated, wealthy urban black families are not a significant part of this problem. And yes, I am aware of studies that show that black educational accomplishment trails white educational accomplishment, even in the upper income brackets. It would be great if we could move the left end of the bell curve over to where wealthy, well-educated urban blacks are. Alas, we have larger problems.

As for your second point, you might want to consider this article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/25/AR2006032500029.html

For your third point, why are values and morals more lacking in urban areas in Milwaukee compared to any other major US city? I mean, the editorial you referenced complained about low scores in Milwaukee and Wisconsin compared to other places. If lack of values and morals is the cause, logically Milwaukee is more immoral than say, Detroit. I find that hard to believe.

Answer 5

Do you TRY to sound like the most racist person on this board? Why does it matter HOW these kids were brought into the world? You're the same breed of people who piss and moan about abortion. Well, here you go, they didn't have an abortion. They owned up to it and took responsibility for the conception. Isn't that what your goal is? OK, so they're poor on top of it, and they might need some help. Is that a crime? NO. If you people are going to be so adamant about abortion, you're going to have to deal with the consequences that is quite often poor families. Maybe you need to get a grip on reality, pull your logic up by the bootstraps, and deal with that instead of b!tching about it. Are these children garbage? NO. So don't throw them out with the trash. Your big blonde beauty pagent hair is what is trashy. But you know what is a crime? It is a crime is not funding inner city Milwaukee schools to the levels of places like Cedarburg, Brookfield, and Port Washington. (I just bet your big blonde hair lives in a community like that). I bet you pray there isn't a black kid in your child's class who might rub some sort of poor cooties on them.

Answer 6

I'm gonna put it to you all straight. Now lets remember that I'm not lumping ALL blacks together, because there's obviously some who have some pride and dignity, and have gone to school, worked hard like the rest of us. But those who fall into the category that you speak of, those are the ones that do nothing but bring their children up with a hate in their heart towards white people. They teach them about the slavery days, "back then".... They are raised in thinking that we OWE them something, and they lack family values. That is why they sit in the welfare office, instead of going out and getting a job, because they figure its their turn to sit back while we support them.

Schools do play a role, but the foundation begins in the home, and with these types of kids, they dont stand a chance, its sad.

Why is it though that when there are places that require maid servants, they are usually black? Is that a white persons fault, just curious.

There really is no fix to it, unless they are willing to fix it themselves......ya know what they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink.

Answer 7

First off, that is an editorial, not a news story.

Here's some data for you:
Aurora Weir High School (predominantly black area)
-student teacher ratio - 35:1
-Total per pupil expenditures - $6,721
Bay View High School (predominantly white area)
-student teacher ratio - 18:1
-Total per pupil expenditures - $10,778

White students in Milwaukee get more teachers and more money per student. They also score higher on the tests. Wonder why?

Answer 8

Well some guys love black girls :) I mean living in the uk the white guys I see are in love with black girls which is a good thank I guess I like Asian and white guys :3 am not racist or anything I just find them attractive don't get me wrong but what do you mean by acting white is there something such as acting black or white -.- I mean I act like Alien 🙃

Answer 9

Students will generally live up or down to your highest or lowest expectations. Start by expecting good behavior and academic achievement and stop making excuses for them. Charter, Catholic and some private schools do this quite well with good results. Black and White teachers and school administrators tend to make excuses for black students and expect them to be inferior. " Poor kid, bad family, bad neighborhood, poor diet, etc. so lets also give him a poor education" The classroom is not home or the street. it needs to be the place they come to and get SOMETHING of quality in their life.
They, therefore don't make the same demands of them. This is another subtle form of segregation and continues to allow black students to have excuses not to meet rigorous academic demands. Since you have a lower standard for them you can then say they are obviously inferior.

Answer 10

No it's not because their poor because if you researched at all you would see that white people black people Mexican people all kind of races has reading issues. I'm a African American woman who was raised poor and I started reading at 3yrs old that was because I had a mother taught her daughter at a young age. Alot of my people have little or no means to get proper access to books and programs to deal with these issues.Hopefully you asked this question because you plan on helping with this instead of judging.And another thing there hundreds of good influence's more good than bad where the hell did that come from? You need to lookinto this more and get your facts straight it all boils down to wants it and is willing to work for it regardless of race.