Has the time come to dismantle the UN.?

Question

I just don't see what their value is any more?

The big countries like ours ignore them,
They are counter productive as far as Africa is concerned...
Israel has never obeyed it's resolutions....

They are just a fat bureaucracy, that takes a lot of our money...

Today, UN Peacekeepers in Dafur were killed and kidnapped. I know expect an outright attack on the criminals in Sudan... Will it happen? Not on your life.

Answer 1

A lot of that is true .It needs reforming and moving to a neutral country. There has to be some international place for political discussion.
The best thing would be to get rid of the permanent members of the security council who have a veto on progress.

Answer 2

A humanist wants to dismantle the UN... Interesting. Just because you don't see their value doesn't mean they don't have any. Do you actually think that if our government really wanted to get out of it we would still be a part of it? Sure they love to belittle the UN when they can't get their way there but when they can get their way they love it.

Not to mention all the money coming into the country, and NYC, because of its being on our soil. I doubt there is a single country out there that wouldn't want to host the UN if we were to get them out of here.

What big countries exactly ignore the UN? Just saying it does not make it so. Show us your data.

Israel has walked its own path ever since its creation after WWII by constantly playing the holocaust card and no one dares to say boo. Get rid of Israel and you will get rid of the biggest chunk of the Middle East problems.

May I remind RaginCajin that our government is as corrupt, if not more, as the UN. Why doesn't he suggest getting rid of our government?

And, may I remind melsposty that it is not our money that pays the UN. Rather, it is the money of all the member countries.

Thank God for Faustus for his intelligent answer.

Obviously not everybody sees the UN as a failure or it wouldn't exist anymore.

And let us not forget that in recent history most non- local wars (wars involving two countries with no common borders) have involved the US. Most of us may not want to recognize that we are nothing more than an international bully but it doesn't change the fact. And if the UN can keep us somewhat in check, good.

Answer 3

Has the UN been able to overcome regional concerns or human greed ? Has it done battle over the political favouritism that often comes from wealth ?


Yes the UN is a miserable failure - So was the League of Nations that fell apart just before the Great war (WW 1)

It is interesting to note that before her death Queen Victoria said "The world is far too civilized to go to war" 1901 she said that - 1914 the world was at war over the assassination of one man in Sarajevo -

The slaughter of Canadian troops at Vimmy Ridge still holds a lot of emotion in this country The assault came at dawn and they moved in to take a hill that eventually the British command would "give back" as it had no strategic use ,

Nonetheless against machine gun fire 3 Regiments ran up that hill and overcame the German position Cost ? One blood bath for something of little strategic value

Thats what happened the last time the League of Nations failed because in the end they did not overcome anything of value either - Wealth power Greed and so on - it fell the UN is equally doomed to the same fate

So now Russia who is bankrupt so who cares resumes bomber patrols and cancelling treaties

China has used the term "nulcear bonds" - they will sell their bonds on mass if the US try's to influence the Yaun in international markets

Iran is going healdong into a nuclear program and has just called the CIA a terrorist orginization as a tit for tat - The response they chose to give back after the US offically called their elite guard a terrorist orginization

This isn't going well is it ?


A top US general said that he did not expect war in the futre Even the President of Iran dissmissed the idea of war


Notice how the word "war" is comming up more and more ?

So in this modern world of technology we have an orginization that is hosting 2 sides against each other in a war of words that is escalating

Both sides are afraid the other side is going to aniliate them and then we have a bunch of "lesser" nations asking for stuff or complaining about how 4/10 of their population is being murdered or starved to death -

Watch the UN presentations online A lot of the big nations reps are at the bar while the little nations "talk to the world "


I am just waiting for Queen Vitoria's great grand daughter to tell us that "the world is too civilized to go to war"

Answer 4

No, I don’t think we should dismantle the UN. As a concept, the UN is an excellent idea in that, in theory, it should be an institution that can potentially enforce internationally harmony. Unfortunately, because of a lack of political will, the UN is denuded of any real power to arbitrate global disputes.

Just because something is inefficient, doesn’t mean that you have to discard with it entirely. The UN merely needs to be revamped. Once we can get the UN to do the job that it was intended to do, it will be a great and useful institution. In our ever shrinking world, that is resulting due to technology advancements and globalization, we need to have governing body that checks the powers of those nations that seek to encroach upon the rights of others.

Answer 5

The UN still serves a useful purpose. It is a forum for debate and discussion. The major powers over look it because they have their own agendas and the UN gets in the way. It was at one time very influential. The UN leadership is as much to blame as the major powers. No I am in favor of keeping the United Nations. It has done great things Through UNICEF and the WHO. They have helped to save thousands of Children and stamp out some very nasty diseases.

Answer 6

No. We definitely need something like the UN. The big players, especially the US where Israel is concerned (the US has vetoed 29 resolutions about Israel.), are screwing up the UN's mandate. Get rid of veto.

There is probably a lot of other things that need to be looked into. Let's hear about them.

Answer 7

The UN has wonderful intentions, it has tried many times, it has the best reports that tell whats going on inside the country. Even if it is ignored , belittled, it is our only hope. I agree that more people have to start to stand up, more money needs to be given, i differ with you on that point that it takes alot of countries money, they account for every cent. They are in need of money. Without the UN which country would then take full control of all issues? hmmmm....(you know) Of course if we all lose faith...Chins up...have hope, have faith in the goodness in the world...the devils always fail! Peace!

Answer 8

It doesn't need to be dismantled -- it already functions the way it was meant to: Set up in New York to provide diplomatic cover for US military and economic objectives of empire in ridding the world of the threat of democracy. It provides a way that the world can have their say, but the US public doesn't hear it. It has served the US quite well when it goes along with NATO, and when it doesn't, it's ignored. Either way, the US withholds its dues, and does what it wants anyway. The US is the 800 lb gorilla that thinks it lives in jungle. It has imagined enemies everywhere, many of its own creation. The entire globe is a strategic asset to the gorilla, all its resources needed for the continuance of the state, all its riches part of one nation's 'security'. Yes, the US has been rejecting peace in the Middle East for the past 50 years, vetoed every UN resolution, and in its usual Orwellian way, has used the cover of the UN to do so. The 'no-fly zones' over Iraq had no basis in the UN; that was entirely the US and the UK wanting to try out their new weapons, though you'd be hard-pressed to find such news in the 'liberal press'.
Currently, the purposeful mis-interpretation of the UN Charter, a violation of US law, in order to institute a war of aggression, both in Afghanistan and in Iraq, and in Iran and in Pakistan, and the 3 billion $ in support to supply those beleaguered Israelis with Huey Cobras and Abrams tanks to defend themselves against rock-throwing youths, or unarmed refugee camps. War of aggression, as the US has purposefully done, is not only a crime in US law, not only a war crime under the UN Charter (also US law), but at Nuremberg was the HIGHEST of war crimes by the considered opinion of the Panel. And the US is guilty, guilty, guilty. This is only the latest in a very long line. The responsibility goes right up to the top. Who is in charge? On whose watch did these crimes occur? There is no justice, it seems, for past crimes however, Kissenger has yet to be prosecuted, and Clinton too protected to fear retribution of his crimes in Iraq and Kosovo, to name just two. Every president back to Truman is guilty, but having gotten away with it so often, the crimes have become worse. The frog in the pot of water on a low flame doesn't jump out, just ends up boiling to death, the temperature rise is so slow, the frog doesn't notice.
As the US has no intention of obeying any law, and as the 'Newspaper of Record' (NYT) refuses to print important US vetoes, the UN is effectively neutered anyway. Just like the past rulings of the World Court against the US the US ignores, or the trade disputes at the WTO the US ignores, or the signing statements Bush the Lessor scribbles setting the executive branch apart, neutering Congress, breaking the law, and then rewriting it later to 'legalize' the criminal. It's the culture of crime families.
The Empire of capital cannot be appeased, but it can and must be reigned in. We should have learned in school of the long struggle against slavery, in all its forms, from actual slavery, to that of wage slavery. We have been conditioned by centuries of the philosophy of gods and demi-gods, the liquor of religion, and the twisted notion of the pseudo-science of social Darwinism that the richer are more fit, the corollary being that the if you are poor, you are of no worth. Even American slaves had it better than some of our poor do today. At least they weren't turned out when they could no longer do the work. The babies, who couldn't do any work until 5 or 6 years later were taken care of. I'm not saying the life of a slave was good, by any means, but at least as a slave you were taken care of by the master. Here, if you work hard, it isn't always enough, and to say that it is otherwise ignores reality. Americans ought to be embarrassed by having such destitution, within such decrepit conditions as our cities are in. I am shocked sometimes to hear such mean-spiritedness that blames the poor for their lot. What a cheap and easy shot. This country has a very proud heritage of distrust of the government and its trappings of 'official-dom', but an even deeper mistrust of business collusion, monopolies, trusts, secrets, and government held behind closed doors.
Our greatest strength, the current radicals and their supporters in BOTH parties believe to be our greatest weakness. The current radicals are enemies of an open society. They esteem the business approach to government, when corporations, by their very structure, being private tyrannies, are the absolute OPPOSITE model for a democratic republican system. Democracies work best with business run by workers' councils, with the government providing services that the marketplace cannot do at a profit to themselves. It's called a 'commonwealth', and it's going to have a tough time in the forming neo-fascist New World Order.

Answer 9

the united nations have created the largest amount of deaths in the world as they assemble their minds on how to apply police action wars and more and more countrys end up always hating each other.u.n. ambassador from the u.s.jeane kirkpatrick noticed this in thr reagan administration

Answer 10

This is the first time you and I have seen eye to eye. We don't have the ability to dismantle the UN, but we can surely withdraw from it and kick it out of the US. We can give our humanitarian support to organizations that are effecient and not riddled by corruption.