In Hockey, how would these situations be scored?

Question

Lets suppose that the Penguins are playing the Red Wings. The penguins make a line change. Colby Armstrong, before coming off the ice, makes a pass to crosby, who, like always, scores a highlight reel goal.
Since Colby Armstrong got an assist, but he wasnt on the ice, does his plus minus rating go up?

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in the next game, the penguins lead 1-0 late in the 3rd, due to the Boston defense scoring an own goal on a delayed penalty in the 2nd. The Bruins pull their goalie, but the pens score.
Shortly after, the bruins score.
Since there was no goalie on the ice for Boston when either goal was scored, who gets the loss?

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in a similar situation, the game winning goal is scored on a delayed penalty, but the winning team does not have a goalie out. who gets the win? The final score of the game is 1-0.

even though it is rare that any of these situations happen, its interesting to know what WOULD happen.

Answer 1

1. Colby would get an assist, but it would be the scorer's judgement if his +/- would be affected (i.e. the delay between him leaving the ice and when the goal was scored). A similar event can happen if player A passes to player B, player B dipsy-doodles his way around the ice for 10 seconds before passing to player C, player C dipsy doodles around the ice for 10 seconds before scoring. In this case, Player A would get an assist but the elapsed time would result in him not being assessed a + or a -.

2. The Bruins goalie who was in the net for the game gets the loss regardless of whether he was in the net at the time of the goal or not.

3. Same as above.

Note: #2 and #3 happened often in the age when ties happened. A team would pull their goalie for an extra attacker. If that team scored the tying goal, the goalie still got credit for the tie even though he was on the bench at the time of the goal.. The goalie of record is always the goalie who would have been on the ice immediately preceding these incidents.


Butch97
There were 4 instances last year where a player received a '+' even though he wasn't on the ice when a goal was scored, but he had an assist.

There were 23 other situations where a player had an assist without being on the ice

There was 1 situation last year (In Ottawa) where the player credited with a goal was NOT on the ice when the puck went in..........he was credited with a '+'

Answer 2

Answers above to questions 2 and 3 are absolutely correct.
But +/- , at least officially, is not a judgment call for the official scorer. Either the player is on the ice for the plus or minus, or he isn't, and is (or is supposed to be) awarded accordingly.
How much time elapses between the moment a player last touches the puck and the moment his team scores a goal is completely immaterial. The only question is whether the player was on the ice when the goal was scored. A player doesn't have to handle the puck at all, not even once, to be credited with a plus or a minus, he needs only to be on the ice when it happens, and every player on the ice gets the appropriate plus or minus regardless of how much or how little they were involved with the scoring play.

Answer 3

The first answer is correct, and I've officially scored a game (snowstorm, regular guy was stuck)

Answer 4

the person above me nailed it.

Answer 5

thanks, that was very interesting

you learn something new every day!