Is it time to reconsider the traditional thestic conception of god?

Question

If god Is perfect, or science is perfect, then what went wrong at the advent of man? If god is eternal where was he the billions of years before man appeared? If god exists where is he? Since god is perceived as all loving should we reconsider what we call love? Are we absolutly sure of anything as some people seem to be about gods existance either way.
The bottomline is that we do not know if a god exists, existed, or will exist in any form. If a nice person can get that straight he becomes very valuable in the exploration of any possible existance of any form of god. Other dogmatic ideas fall on deaf ears of intelligent people.

Answer 1

There are a lot of flaws in the conceptions of God.
This is because the factors God possess are imaginary and void of our logic at times.
If we condense God down to a logical conception, only then will we ever be able to make God, a perfect being that can be understood by all man, using a list of logical arguments that stabilize "its" existence.

If you consider the fact that all knowledge comes from previewing the universe at different levels of comprehension you will soon understand why God exists at it does.

Answer 2

To say "we do not know if a god exists, existed, or will exist in any form" is way too easy a statement to make and can be philosophically used in almost any situation. Meaning, we do not KNOW we exist! We believe we exist but just because we can think and see and feel does not mean we exist in the form we believe. Also, how could one say they KNOW that Hawaii exists until they go there (and even then it could be argued that aren't actually in Hawaii). In other words, all knowledge is based on previous knowledge and can only be proven to the extent that we can comprehend it (which may not always be accurate). And since it cannot be disproved, we can't use the argument that you used as if it were fact. It's not.

With that said, the "traditional" conception of God has been being considered and reconsidered for thousands of years. Many intelligent people have tackled the issue and have come to differing conclusions. So you can ask the question and listen to the answers and you will have to discern your own conclusion since there is no "perfect" answer backed in scientific fact.

Be blessed.

Answer 3

In fact, the traditional theistic conception of God has been challenged for centuries. These ideas of the infinite have been debated for damn near forever, and in the end, I think most theologians come to the point where they have to say that they cannot comprehend the infinite and thus know the answer to these questions.

More interesting, though, is your questions regarding the relationship of God to human beings. Especially after the Holocaust, there was a question of whether God was actually good (cf. Bultmann), and whether God interfered in stopping bad acts. J.B. Metz wrote an especially fantastic book on God and theology after the Holocaust, and whether we could accept God-as-good in light of God's inaction during the Holocaust. Dorothee Soelle also wrote books on God as suffering.

As for what went "wrong" at the advent of humankind, I think traditional theologians would say that God gave free choice to humans, and humans chose to turn from God. Dostoevsky, in The Brothers Karamazov, addresses this - love means nothing without free choice. If it is forced, it is nothing, if it is not forced, but human beings choose to turn back to God, it means more.

Answer 4

its mind blowing to know that people are still asking these questions. believe what you want to believe, have faith in what you want too and if you doubt what you are feeling then you need to think about it for about 5 minutes and make a decision. i person feel there is no god, never was and never will be, but hey I can't make everyone else believe that, but you got a better chance of me believing in science that can't always be proven then believing in a mythic creature that was probably brought about to start a cult to get some put into power. I mean when someone comes around and tells you that you are going to hell if you lust for the cute girl down the street well someone will soon believe and the farther down the road it goes more and more people will join. My opinion!

Answer 5

How wonderful it is to have some perspective, dear. After constantly asking yourself what direction your life is going, doesn't it feel great to finally feel as if you know? How very wise you are! Yet all this recent wisdom is exhausting. You feel as though you've made a long trip up to the mountaintop to speak with the learned wise person at the top. Now that you're back down in civilization, it's time to find a soft bed and relax for a bit.
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Answer 6

i dont know where you are getting your generalizations, and it seems you are speaking of "traditional" but referring to some Christian doctrines, whereas i think of traditional as going back long before Christianity and Jesus arriving in the form he did for that religion
different people arrive at different knowledge, i dont think any of us should define this topic for others, even the words we use have different meanings
to me personally, i dont think of myself as ever not existing, and it makes sense to me that i as a spirit would have spiritual leaders, and perhaps even one major leader,
you stated
"The bottomline is that we do not know if a god exists, existed, or will exist in any form"
this is your truth, to me you should use "I" rather then "we"

Answer 7

Thomas Paine addressed those issues, quite brilliantly, in "The Age fo Reason" in the late 18th century. It's comforting to know we are no the first generation to be asking these questions.