Is it possible to live off of $12,000 a year?

Question

Can 2 people live off of $12,000 a year taking the following expenses into account:

Rent: $365-450/month
Utilities: $85-125/month
Gas & Car Ins: $230/month
Food/groceries: $200/month
Health Insurance: $150/month
Other Expenses: ????/month

The people are my dad and his dead beat brother. They are both 40 something and don't care about living conditions. Can this work? They only make $500/month each after taxes. Any suggestions on how they could make this work out or get more money?

Answer 1

I suggest cutting spending wherever possible:

Get rid of cable television.
Unplug all appliances.
Drive less.
Buy generic.
Cook from scratch.
Drink only water.
Don’t eat out.
Never buy garbage bags.
Minimize the use of heat and air conditioning.
Don’t buy things you don’t need.
Repair things, don’t replace them.
Buy used.
Never pay interest.
Hang clothes to dry.
Don’t smoke or drink.

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How I Live on just $12,000 a year
With suggestions for others
"How can one possibly live on just $12,000 year, unless you live on the streets?" one might ask. Well it is possible, I've been doing it for the past three years, ever since the Iraq war started and I wanted no part of it. I also had some reduction in my income due to the merger mania that is going on in the United States, so as one of the old jokes goes, "This is a non profit corporation, it's not what we intended, but that's what it turned out to be"
When faced with a cash flow problem, the first thing to do is cut all expenses that you can immediately without having to spend money to do so. Use the money that you save to invest in money saving alternatives, then go to work on finding ways to reduce your greatest expense. For most of us, that will be your housing. But it might take awhile to find a cheaper apartment, sell that 4000 square foot monster you were talked into buying or find an alternative living arrangement.

So here is what I did first that doesn't require any "investment" at all.

I got rid of the cable TV/Satellite service. That saved me $50 a month. You'll save at least $40 and up to $100 if you got suckered into "Premium" services such as Showtime or HBO. Television is garbage anyway, and you are better off not watching it. True, there are some things on PBS, Discover and the History Channel that are worth while, but it's not worth spending $50 a month for. I still own a television set, but it is used mostly to watch tapes and DVDs borrowed from friends. It's hooked to an outside antenna for the rare moments, such as a flood emergency, that I even want to watch broadcast television.
The next item was to get rid of all the "Phantom Loads". What is that? You may ask. That is all the electrical appliances in a typical household that still draw current, even though they are "off". The worst offenders are TV sets, VCRs, anything with a remote control. You see, in order to respond to the power on command from the remote control, part of the set still must be "on" in order to receive commands from the remote. While the drain may only be a couple of watts, the fact that the drain is continuous makes it all add up. I unplug all these appliances when not actually in use or put them on a switched outlet. I saved slightly over $20 a month on my electric bill by getting rid of these phantom loads.
I started driving less. I was shocked to find that I was spending over $2000 a year for gasoline, and that was before prices went nuts. Since I run my own business, I don't have to show up 5 days a week. There was nothing at the post office that couldn't wait a day, so I started driving only three days a week. I took the time to work out on a map a minimum mileage route for things that need to be done. Grocery shopping is done only once a week. Before going on the shopping trip, I check the pantry for items that are running low and buy enough to last a week. If I run out of something, too bad, it waits till the next shopping trip and I learn to be more careful about checking stock before I go. Of course I always take advantage of sales, but only if the unit cost of the sale item is less than buying the house brands. Which is a good segue into the next item.
I Buy house brands. With few exceptions, house brands are every bit as good as the over advertised national brands. You'll save anywhere from 5% to 25% by switching to a house brand. The only items that I found in house brands that were not as good were dry cat food (the cat's did not seem to do well) and lab tests have shown that house brand dietary supplements do not have the same level of active ingredients as name brand supplements. However note that the house brand OTC drugs and prescription drugs are every bit as good as the name brands, it's only the supplements that have the problem. You can also minimize the need for supplements by eating a well balanced diet.
I Cook from scratch. Prepared food is always more expensive, and full of additives that are probably not good for you. Even simple items like Bisquick contain things like soluble salts of aluminum, which have been implicated in Alzheimer's disease. You are better off health wise and financially by making your own baking mix from flour and baking soda. Here is my weekly diet. It is mostly vegetarian, although it does have poultry two days a week.
I never buy "Soft Drinks" (known as 'soda' or 'pop' in some parts of the country). Why waste money on sugared water that is not good for you? If I'm thirsty, I'll drink tap water, which is the best thirst quencher.
I Eat In, I Don't Eat Out: When you eat out, you have to pay for the rent or mortgage on the restaurant building, the wages of the employees, and the profit for the owner as well as the cost of the food and the fuel to cook it. By eating at home, the only costs are the food and the fuel. I saved $35 a month by switching to Friday night dinner at home. This is in an area where you can get a good restaurant meal for $10 a person. You'll save even more in an expensive city. Even a frugal meal at the local fast food emporium is going to set you back $5.00. You can "brown bag" a meal for less than $1.00. Oh, be sure to reuse the bag until it falls apart, which brings us to:
I Never buy garbage bags. Reuse the bags that you get at the grocery store for your lunch container and for putting out the garbage. Sure they are small, but who cares? They all go into a garbage can just fine! I know that some people just set out the 20 gallon garbage bags by the curb, but that is just asking for the garbage to be raided by animals before it gets picked up.
I keep the heat down during heating season. My house is zoned, so rooms that are not being used are set to 55 F. Rooms that are infrequently used are set to 60 F. I have one "warm room" that I keep at 65. If you have forced air, you can close off the registers to the unused rooms. If you have electric baseboard heat, those usually have individual controls. If you have hydronic baseboard heat, the best you can do is close the flaps on unused rooms. If you have one pipe steam, you can install a Varivalve in place of the standard vent, as the name implies, the device is adjustable. Don't try to moderate a one pipe steam system by closing the radiator valve part way, you'll just have knocking and banging if you do.
I use the wood stove for heat: I'm fortunate enough that the place where I live has a Franklin Stove and 50 acres of woodlot that can be harvested in a sustainable manner, so when I'm home, I use the wood stove.
I don't use air conditioning during cooling season. Where I live, there are only 10 or 12 really bad days a year. I set up a bed in the basement on really hot nights, rather than put in an air conditioning system. People in really warm climates can save by setting their AC to 85 F, which is enough to take the edge off the heat and even more important, reduce the humidity.
I don't buy things that I don't really need: Making a shopping list before going to the store really helps. I only buy things that are on the list. I don't go to the grocery store on an empty stomach, so that I'm not tempted to buy junk food. Instead of buying music CDs, which probably only have one good cut on them, I listen to music for free over broadcast radio. If it's a song that I really want my own copy of, I buy the single on the Internet for $1.00. Before buying anything, I ask myself, "Do I really need this? Is it of lasting value? If I won't use it that often, can I borrow it from someone or rent it instead of buying my own?"
I repair things instead of buying a replacement: A good rule of thumb is repair it unless the repair is going to cost more than half of the replacement cost, or in the case of a car, more than half of it's market value. Learn to fix things yourself, which will reduce the repair cost. There are plenty of places on the web where you can learn how to do simple plumbing, car, and other house repairs. Even if a repair is beyond your skill or should not be attempted DYI because of safety reasons, you should at least learn the basic technology so that you won't get taken by a con artist.
If I do need an item, I try to buy used: With the exception of some appliances like refrigerators, where it makes more sense to buy the newest most energy efficient model, I save money by buying used. I buy "last years" computers at close out sales, they are more than fast enough. When my truck is so old that it's rusted out or I can't get parts for it anymore, I replace it with a three or four year old model. Since depreciation is non linear, that is, the value goes down more quickly when it is brand new, you save a lot of money overall. Which is a good segue to the next item in this list.
I never pay interest: If I can't afford to pay cash for an item, I either find a less expensive one, such as paying cash for a $9000 car instead of having to get a loan to buy a $12,000 car, or wait until I've saved enough to pay cash. I always pay off the full balance on my credit card every month. The only exception to this rule is if I can get a really good deal on the loan, meaning that I can take the cash and invest it in a municipal bond fund that is paying more interest than the loan interest.
Hang out clothes to dry instead of using a clothes dryer. This can save up to $40 a month, depending on the size of your family and how often you do laundry. During the winter, I hang clothes inside, as this serves to add needed humidity to the air. During the summer, this means planning to do laundry on a sunny day.
I don't smoke, never have, but if you do smoke quit! Not only is quitting good for your health, it's good for you finances! A smoker with a two pack a day habit is blowing $180 a month on tobacco!
I rarely drink, I certainly don't buy alcoholic beverages, as there is a federal tax on them. Although studies have shown that moderate (one glass a day) consumption of red wine has health benefits, you can get much the same benefits by drinking grape juice for less money. If you really like your beer and wine, consider home brew. It's legal, as long as it's for personal consumption, and you won't be paying federal tax on it.
With the money I saved from the first list, I went ahead and made the following investments.
I Replaced incandescent bulbs and fixtures with compact fluorescent bulbs and fixtures. I would do this even before the existing bulbs burn out, you can always use the old, but still working bulbs as spares for infrequently used lights. The manufactures of compact fluorescent bulbs have finally worked out how to make the bulbs roughly the same size as what they replace, so you generally won't have to replace the whole fixture. After this, I was using less electricity living in my house than the former occupant who was only there three days a week!
I Replaced my refrigerator with a modern energy efficient model. Actually, the old one's compressor decided to lock rotor on a hot Forth of July when all the stores were closed. I beat it into running with a hammer, but figured it was not long for this world and bought a replacement when the stores opened. I was amazed at how much my electric bill went down. If you still have a refrigerator built before 1993, you will probably save enough on your electric bill to pay for the new machine within three years! Be sure that your new box has the Energy Star label and recycle your old machine. It is also best to go with a traditional top freezer model of less than 25 cubic feet capacity as I did. Side by sides and refrigerators over 25 cubic feet use significantly more energy.
I put in a vegetable garden: I've puttered around in the garden off and on, with varying degrees of success. The best I've done was to meet all my vegetable needs for the summer, plus have some extra tomatoes to can for use during the winter. I'm still experimenting with the best way to have a garden with my relatively poor soil and the slug problem, I lost all my peas last year to a slug invasion. I avoid pesticides, since they are an additional expense and aren't good to eat. I estimate that I can grow my own veggies for half the price that I would pay in the store. If you live in the city, the best you can probably do is to have some containers out on the patio or inside a south facing window.
Although I actually did this next item some years ago, I'm including it after my other money saving tips, as most people reading this are probably still living in an apartment that they have to pay rent on, or a house that they are still paying for. Housing is probably the single biggest expense that most people have. I was fortunate enough to find a friend who had a summer home that was largely vacant most of the year. He was always worried about the heating system breaking down during Winter and coming back next Spring to peeling paint and a cracked boiler as happened one year. Even though he had drained all the plumbing, he obviously did not get all of the water out of the hyrdonic heating system. So we came to the agreement that I could live there rent free in exchange for "guarding" the place, as long I paid for property taxes, insurance and utilities. This has worked out very well, and it might be possible for others to come up with a similar arrangement. The only problem might be is finding work in your new location. If it is rural enough, you could grow most of your own food, but you will still need some income to pay for things that you can't barter. Other alternatives are having more people move in with you to share expenses, but be aware that many places have limits on how many unrelated people can live together in one household.
Some thoughts for married people:
All of the previous discussion was about how a single person living alone, or perhaps with others, can save money. What about married people with children? Well, here are some thoughts on that.

First of all, don't have any more children. Although you do get more exemptions, the cost to raise a child to age 18 is now given as $190,000! Plus the world has over six billion people, four times (by the most optimistic estimates) what the planet can support in a sustainable manner. You can cut down on the expense of your existing child, plus reduce your taxable income by having one parent stay at home instead of work, thus eliminating the child care expense. You also don't need a bigger home when you get that additional child. I see no problem with two children of the same sex sharing a bedroom. You'll save $4300 annually by getting rid of the child care expense and roughly $2900 annually by living in a smaller home. These estimates are based on the US Department Agriculture report, "The Cost of Raising a Child" Release No. 0127.98.

Thoughts for pet owners, or would be pet owners:
Pets are an expense, in fact, I somewhat consider them to be a luxury. However, as I sit here composing this, I have a warm friendly cat on my lap, and it is said that people with pets live longer and are in better health than non pet owners. That said, if you are going to have a mammal for a pet, consider a cat instead of a dog. Cats are less expensive to feed, their vet bills are usually less, and they will keep your rodents under control, saving the cost of an exterminator. If you keep your cat indoors at all times, they aren't likely to get hurt or pick up fleas, your only vet bill should be for the annual checkup and shots. If you need to go out of town for a couple of days, a cat can manage on his own, while you would have to take a dog with you or board him in a kennel at additional expense. As I mentioned earlier, this is one place where I found the name brand premium cat food to be better than the house brand. My cat seemed to be losing hair and getting sick until I switched him to a premium brand. He also eats less of it, since it is more nutritious, so the cost is probably a wash. Cat litter, on the other hand, is a generic thing and I buy the least expensive house brand. Be advised that you should switch litter gradually, least the cat not like the new formula and decide that the bedroom carpet is a better place to take care of business.

Answer 2

The next step is living with government assistance the way you go about that is to call the county about any programs that they might be eligible for. This doesn't leave any room for play money! and your numbers are very very low. Utilities alone are a worrisome low number. It seems that your folks for whatever reason, have given up and there may be some depression going on here. If they truly don't care about themselves perhaps a visit with social services people will lead them to a program that will not only help financially but, a bit from the emotional side too. People sometimes get to a point in their lives where it all becomes more than they want or can deal with and when they stop caring about themselves this way...they do need some help so, Bravo, for trying to help them find it. If you want a maybe quicker result, try the church nearby. Even if they don't attend the pastor or priest may be a useful ally in this next step that you all are going through. Best of luck!

Answer 3

No, rent should be 1/3 of your income after tax, so this is pretty high.
Something's not right if they're only making $500 a month after taxes - are they on disability or are they not working a full 40 hours a week?
I'd suggest they both find second jobs.
Just add the numbers you've presented, you'll see they're much higher than their income. It's definitely not possible for them to pull this off.

Answer 4

Well just adding up what you've approximated as expenses, it's $1155 a month if you go by what you have as the highest number in each category and that doesn't include other expenses. I suggest they search for income based housing, look into social service programs available, and well try to make more than $12,000 a year, it's just not enough for their expenses.

Answer 5

Even leaving out the "other expenses", and taking the minimum amount you list for each category, it comes to a little over $1000 a month. So they'd have to cut something. It's possible for two people to survive on $1000 a month takehome, but very frugally.

Answer 6

I lived off of $500/mo to get through college about 10 years ago but my house and car were paid for. It wasn't pleasant.
I guess you didn't bother to add up what you put up there but that is more than your 12k/yr. plus utilities are more than $125/mo and that's less than 50 bucks for food& other necessities/mo. I guess they will never want to do anything or have to buy anything and what clothing and furniture they have will last forever. And even with health insurance-it doesn't pay everything. You're not even close to realistic.

Answer 7

I'd get a different job if I'm only making $500 a month.

Answer 8

They will always be broke and always be borrowing money (or stealing) from others.

And 2 forty year old guys can't get health insurance for $150 a month.

Wow, I would run far, far away.

Answer 9

Oh it's possible to live on $12,000 per year. Just not on that budget.

Answer 10

This can only work if they live in a tent in the woods and eat tree bark.

Answer 11

i'd like to know where they're living that rent is $450 a month.