Are Navajo and Apache Chinese, Japanese , or mongolian?

Question

Apache and navajo share chinese DNA and japanese DNA, the languages match to the chinese and tibetan and mongolian. The way i see it they are East Asian even now,but which are they. I know that i have already upset some of you by what I said just now, I cant help that. They are some kind of East Asian I want to know which one they are. Their DNA didnt change that much otherwise they would not match East Asian, they would not look it nor would the culture be the same almost(like it or not the evidence shows me they are East Asian) I just want to know which group they are. Go ahead and chew me out if you like, it wouldnt be the first time and it wont be the last. But to anyone who will answer please do so.

Ok I was reading these comments and I was OK even with the diagreement, I have no problem with that and I thank everyone who answered in a mannered way, however Danagasta I was ok until you sat there, basically told me I was racist and told me to sit down, well let me give you a little history lesson IM PART NAVAJO MYSELF but I merely do research, I dont believe them stories and I believe science and anything in the future Im also english sicilian and spanish so you sit down and dont hurt yourself

Answer 1

Their closest shared ancestor would be Mongolian, but they can't be called any of these.

Answer 2

Ok, there is the Bering Strait theory, that humans came to North America from Asia, which would explain some genetic similarities with East Asian cultures. But that doesn't mean they are Chinese or Japanese today. Many tribes don't like this theory, because their stories tell them they were created in North America and many white folks try to use it to say they're immigrants too and have no claim to their land. Which is reaching so far it's ridiculous in my opinion!

I was part of an exchange that took Native students to the middle of Siberia, close to the Chinese and Mongolian borders. We talked with the Native people there (the Altaians), and there were many similar stories and even similar words in their Native languages (We had a Shoshoni lady, and 5 Navajo students). The Altaians even had stories about long ago when a group of their people went away to the East and never returned. So take from that what you may, but I know our group got a lot out of it and were really excited.

To answer your question about which one they are: They are none. They are Apache and Navajo. Look at it this way: we all have our ancient ancestors DNA, but does that really determine what nationality you are? If the Bering land bridge theory is true, they crossed over so long ago it's not in recent memory. Navajo and Apache (and every other tribe's) culture originated here, in the Americas. That's why I say the stories are true, the Native cultures were created here. This is the only land that saw Navajos becoming a people - they weren't Navajos when they were in Asia. Native cultures have very strong ties to the land, and their homelands are very important to their stories. So whether or not they share similarities with East Asian culture, in DNA or cultural practice, is irrelevent. They are very distinct cultures, which originated here. How could you look at a Navajo person and tell them, "you're not Navajo, you're Chinese"? They might not know the first thing about Chinese culture, and even if they've studied about it they're not going to start claiming they're Chinese!

Answer 3

If the Navajo language is the same as Chinese or Tibetan, then why was the US using Navajo radiomen during WWII as a nearly unbreakable code? The Japanese knew how to speak Chinese better than English! Using the Navajo language as a code for our marines would have been a disaster!


Here's an excerpt from an article about the "Code Talkers" or "Wind Talkers", (as they were called at the time)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_talker


Code talkers, (also sometimes known as "Wind Talkers") were Native American Marines serving in the United States Armed Forces who primarily transmitted secret tactical messages. The Code Talkers transmitted these messages over military telephone or radio communications nets using formal or informally developed codes built upon their native languages. Their service was very valuable since codes can be broken but languages must be studied for a long time before being understood.

The name code talkers is strongly associated with bilingual Navajo speakers specially recruited during World War II by the Marines to serve in their standard communications units in the Pacific Theater. Other Native American code talkers were used by the United States Army in both World War I and World War II, using Choctaw and Comanche soldiers on a smaller scale.

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I think the ancestors of the Navajos would have departed from Eastern Asia before the formation of any nationalities such as Chinese, Japanese, Mongolian or Tibetan. It would probably be safe to say they are related to some group of ancestors that eventually developed into one or more of those nationalities, but saying they are actually Mongolian or Chinese doesn't sound correct.

I'm pretty sure the languages aren't close enough to allow them to understand each other. Most East Asian languages are tonal, I don't think that Navajo is considered a tonal language.

Navajo is definitely not the same as Chinese. Although modern Chinese is not strictly monosyllabic, (having words containing one syllable), classical Chinese was almost entirely. Navajo is definitely not a monosyllabic language. In Navajo, all verbs must be disyllabic, (having two syllables).

Answer 4

Just curious, but how do you know for certain that the Chinese , Japanese, or Mongolians aren't really Navajo or Apache?

Answer 5

I think Navajo are part of the Mongolian family. East Asian isn't necessarily a tribal stock, since it includes China which is mostly made up of Southerners. If anything, Navajo are Northern Asian. Which includes Manchurian, Mongolian, Korean, Japanese.

Answer 6

They are of Atahapascan descent, which is a genetic pool that orginally came from Central Mongolia. These tribes came across the Bering Straight land bridge during the last ice age. They were a later group to come to the Americas, which had already been occupied for thousands of years.
The first of these Atahapascan people made the long journey and found a group of Proto-Pastafarians living in what is now Seattle Washington. Once they were introduced to the Cosmic Bliss of Cippino with Tagliatelle accompanied by fresh garlic bread and red wine, they sent a messenger back to Mongolia to get everyone else.
This is what led to the Athapascan invasion of the Americas.
The Pastafarians still get crap for this.
They were part of an older native group we call the Solutreans that came from stone age Tuscany by way of the present day French Alps. Instead of coming from the west across the Bering Straights like the Athapascans, this tribal group had taken sea canoes along the Atlantic ice sheet in the North Atlantic to get to the Northeast of the American continent from which in just a few thousand years they inhabited most of the Americas before the Atapascan influx. This is why so many Italians played Indians in Hollywood westerns in the 20th century.

Answer 7

We're too far apart timewise (thousands of years and an entire continent, as well as an ocean) to be called East Asian, and it's also offensive to us. We're Native American. DNA claims like yours have been used by modern racists to say that this wasn't originally our land. Our stories tell us differently, and many of us believe that.

This is a cultural issue that you should be more sensitive towards. It would be like me saying "Are Europeans African, South Asian or Neanderthal?" It's misguided and silly. Science is one thing, but respect for other people is another. My culture isn't a thing like anything found in Asia, and most Eastern Cherokee don't really look Asian at all. Our language has only one close relative, Mohawk, and isn't even similar to Dine' bizaad (Navajo)--its closest relative is Inde' (Apache language) and a few in Canada.

Sit down before you hurt yourself.

Answer 8

I have done three DNA tests by three separate companies and all of these test results say that I am East Asian.Specifically from Japan and China with other matches in Korea Mongolia and a list of other East Asian countries.This was strange to me because I have no known Asian ancestors.I do have a strong mixture of Native American tribes such as Cherokee and Choctaw.I repeated the test a third time to see if there was some mistake and it returned the same way.They say that there are different results for different tribes and not all native American groups came from the same places in Asia or at the same times but came in migratory waves from different regions.Some came from East Asia and some came from Western or Northern Asia or even far Eastern Europe.I am apparently part of a group that migrated here from Eastern Asia and share the same DNA profile as modern day Chinese and Japanese.In fact I tested 90 percent higher than the 1,000 native Chinese in there DNA database. I have tribal affiliation in both tribes and photos of relative who are obviously Native American so my only conclusion is that some Native American tribes do indeed share the same DNA as certain East Asian peoples and some groups are actually not much different than these East Asian peoples.

Answer 9

I think you are confusing ethnicity with nationality. Yes native Americans came accross the land bridge from Asia roughly 10-15,000 years ago (or so the Archaeologists tell us though that time frame is being reconsidered now) but that doesn't make them Chinese or Japanese - they are Americans who are distant descendants of Asians.

Everybody in America came from somewhere else but they are all still Americans. Humans move around a lot and trying to nail down exact relationships is difficult especially when you are talking about tens of thousands of years of moving around.

P.S. - by 'land bridge' I mean that 10,000 years ago the ocean levels were lower which meant that the Aleutian Islands in Alaska actually formed a physical land connection to Russia allowing easy migration from Asia to North America. Recently some Archaeologists are speculating that maybe Asians came over by boat via the Pacific Islands even earlier. Its hard to know for sure.

Answer 10

The "Dine" emerged as the Ancient Ones "Anasazi" and Archaeologists will not admit this to the world because this proof will not only change history but also eliminate all other Native Americans claiming to be the true First Americans. Come on DNA experts, help us Dine and expose the DNA which I am pretty sure you have it. The Dine DNA and Anasazi are 99.9% similar. We are the same as the "Ni hi ya sii ye" (probably not spelled right) the true name for "Anasazi". Anasazi means enemy, not people or a race of people. History (some elders, most are gone) but a few if not all will agree that we are the Ancient Ones. Our medicine men will tell you that the Ancient Ones "Anasazi" performed all Navajo Ceremonies and we Dine are hanging on to it and 50-60% of our ceremonies are gone forever. You know what? if you want to find an Ancient One, come to Navajo Land (Big Mountain area) and look in crevices deep inside the earth and you will find them still living there....right Navajos? People had seen them and it is true, we just do not talk about it. Read the Bible and ask a Dine to tell you our creation story and you will be asking your self again, who came first "The Dine people or the Bible". You have to be Indian to understand, simple.

Answer 11

I have never heard of this before I am Half Navajo and my cousins are Apache where did you get this information from? If this is true then there needs to some major changes to our history books.