What is the news' coverage of torture in Greece? Are recent cases of Pakistanis (by the secret service 2005), Albanians (by police in Synmtagma 2006), and of Afghans (by police in Aghia Paraskevi 2004) being covered in the media.
2007-09-20 05:58:34 · 16 answers · asked by Anonymous in Travel ➔ Europe (Continental) ➔ Greece
Dellarovere's challenge incidentally is interesting. Certainly, I will campaign agaisnt any incidence of torture in my own country. As a lawyer, he must be aware of recent cases and of the conviction of individual officers for torture under Article 137a. This is a serious question and I would appreciate a little less mud-slinging: it does you no credit.
On the afghan story, Maria Pinou-Kali writes of the victims: "They had bruises on their arms and legs. The beating was carried out with a blunt instrument. This action constitutes torture. "
"As two officers were beating the man, a police baton was forced in his mouth, adding a sexual element to the assault. When he fell on the floor two of the officers spread his legs while an other took pictures, with his mobile phone - probably inspired by interrogations of prisoners in Iraq. When the abused man signalled he needed water, one of the policemen opened his mouth and spat in it."
2007-09-20 08:41:05 · update #1
for the record, let me stress again: I am NOT Albanian, and there is much more evidence of torture in Greece if you wish to consult the Amnesty reports on Greece. Also check out officers Dandoulakis and Vardakis.
2007-09-21 06:42:19 · update #2
Not really.
Instead the most recent I have seen (last 19 hours) is:
In Pakistan: kidnappings and suicide attacks to shake morale of Pakistan's armed force.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2491271.ece
In Albania: Corruption of many officials.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=24&art_id=nw20070918193110934C566334
In Afghanistan: the crimes of Taliban militants.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hG4w6AbyirR9Z_xJHlwv-mLBp4Kg
All in all, I guess I know what's your problem...:
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Edit1: answer to John I.
Despite popular beliefs, immigration contributes positively to the economy. Valuable data suggest, this was the case in Greece as well as in many other countries in the past. Point taken. That being said, however, I don't see the point why some in this section particularly exacerbate on allegations with respect to torturing of foreigners by Greek police. What makes people feel that this happens in Greece more than in any other nation in EU or the states? Any data? Press releases are all over the place with respect to bad treatments and allegations of domestic police against all sorts of immigrants from most countries. Including Sweden and lately also Switzerland.
I hate to say but unless people come up with comparative data, the whole thing looks just ridiculous to me. Equally, the majority of Albanians are not criminals. They constitute 10% of the Greek force. The second generation (born in Greece) is already coming into adulthood. In the future, these people will contribute substantially to the national insurance system, taxation and re-population of uninhabited villages. Its happening right now. And it has happened several times in the past. Yes! Todays Greeks are not direct descendants of Pericles (as some wish to believe).
For the rest, I would just refrain to comment.
2007-09-20 07:08:53 · answer #1 · answered by Frank B 3 · 13⤊ 5⤋
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2016-10-19 05:20:36 · answer #2 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
You are twisting the facts and deliberately provoking the people here, which may be new to some, but not to all of us. Yes, we're aware that you are determined to engage your newly acquired skills of media manipulation against every peaceful and democratic country where you settle, usually as immigrants. We're aware that you have always been (and will continue to be for a very long time) the poorest country in Europe. This in itself would be no problem (as reality proved, you were accepted in the neighbouring countries, like Greece), if you came as people looking for a better life. But you came with a different agenda: to slander and cause unrest. To destroy the good relations and to profit from your illegal activities: the world knows you as drug traffickers, weapon dealers and white slaves owners. This is how the world knows you and why it has to defend itself from you. We know how well you can distort the truth, you showed us in Serbia, where you used your common foul play to turn the public opinion against your own country and the Serbs, that gave you everything. You learned from the best obviously. But the problem is - you've been exposed and more and more people become aware how twisted you are and how they need to fight you. Fighting you means fighting for truth, and truth, as we all know - always wins in the end.
2007-09-20 22:02:56 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 15⤊ 2⤋
I don't know what your problem is but this is clearly defamation of a country and its citizens.
I wont even bother to answer your nonsense Mr ex "Albania power"because will give you credibility that you don't deserve.
I have a suggestion for you:
If you hate Greece and Greeks so much just stay out of the Greek forum and stick with religion questions and spirituality.
As for the mud sliding we know very well who is responsible for it
2007-09-20 12:50:14 · answer #4 · answered by My kids' mom 3 · 8⤊ 2⤋
Dellavore and Somerlo have put it so eloquently that they need no more comments. For every supposed misdeed comitted against a Albanian there is a hundred veryfied commited against Greecs in Greece and Albania and against Serbs in Kossovo....Persons like you you need a advice: people who live in glass houses don't trown stones!
2007-09-20 22:39:44 · answer #5 · answered by chrisvoulg1 5 · 14⤊ 2⤋
I was trying to find the names of the two policemen charged over the Afghan thing and cannot. I will keep trying and post when I can.
Somewhere, it was reported recently that there were charges pressed against the police in Syntagma who tortured the Albanisn boys. But the names of the men charged were not released.
The Coastguard who threatened to rape two Mexican reporters in 2004 before the Olymics were also charged, but there has been no follow-up.
Significantly, nothing has happened.
I am not surprised to see that Delarovere is a lawyer.
But if he is,, he might have more information about this!
Not everything can be an Albanian plot. On the one hand you say that Albanians are corrupt and so on, buit on the other hand you charge them with infiltrating the media and spreading international and unfounded stories of torture in Greece.. This is really illogical. Or are you just indulging in a racist rant? (I thought this was a serious forum)
Re: Pakistani claims:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article335337.ece
http://www.ydt.gr/main/Article.jsp?ArticleID=92500
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1959731,00.html
http://cryptome.org/mi6-sd36.htm.
14 09 07:
Kathimerini:
Abduction claims
A Pakistani man yesterday revived claims that Greek and British agents had abducted 13 immigrants in July 2005 for questioning in connection with the terrorist bombings in London. Hauep Ifran, 36, said he had been kidnapped from Ano Petralona, southern Athens, and driven to a secret location, interrogated, beaten and then released three days later. “We were afraid, we didn’t know what was in store for us,” said Ifran. The Greek and British governments have denied any part in the alleged abductions.
Britain has received an assurance from the Greek Government that it can find no evidence to substantiate claims that MI6 was involved. Unnamed Greek agents have been charged.
2007-09-20 09:19:21 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 5⤊ 10⤋
No there isn’t torture going on in Greece!
What the asker describes are incidents either twisted or over exaggerated.
(The Pakistani incident is not even considered genuine! Already members of the Pakistani community have accuse the supposed victims for lying)
By the way I can see only 3 incidents in 3 years!
In reality Greece faces the same problems every civilized country faces! (Police brutality is a problem in USA, UK, France etc). And all the incidents are investigated by courts and policemen faces charges!
But the worst country in Europe in human wrights respect is Albania.
In Albanian the police not only is corrupted but it also participates in crime!!! Government official are highly corrupted and in Albanian occupied Kosovo the government has Drug Lords as members!
The conditions in Albanian prisons are the worst in the world! Although the Albanian convicts in Greek prisons have the right to request transfer to Albanian prisons NONE OF THEM TILL TODAY has used that privilege. They all prefer to stay in Greece than to do their time in an Albanian prison!
Check please the pages of Amnesty international and Human Rights watch!
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engeur110012005
"Summary of Amnesty International’s concerns
1. Numerous incidents of police ill-treatment, at times amounting to torture.
2. The reluctance of prosecutors to invoke Article 86 of the Criminal Code (dealing with torture and other inhuman or degrading acts) against police officers and other state officials.
3. The formulation of Articles 86 and 87 of the Criminal Code which is too vague, and does not incorporate all the elements of the definition of torture as set out in Article 1 of the UN Convention against Torture, as well as other acts which do not amount to torture but which constitute cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment and punishment, as set out in Article 16 of the Convention.
4. Violations of the rights of detainees guaranteed by international and domestic law – violations which undermine safeguards against torture and ill-treatment.
5. Failures to investigate promptly, thoroughly and impartially complaints of torture or ill-treatment and to bring those responsible to justice, resulting in impunity for police officers;
6. The absence of state reparation, including fair and adequate compensation, for victims of torture and ill-treatment inflicted by police or other law enforcement officials."
http://thereport.amnesty.org/eng/Regions/Europe-and-Central-Asia/Albania
“Violence against women was common and few perpetrators were brought to justice. Women and children were trafficked for forced prostitution and other forms of exploitation. Detainees frequently alleged ill-treatment by police officers during, or in the hours following, arrest. Investigations and prosecutions related to such allegations were rare, although in some cases police officers were disciplined. Conditions of detention, especially pre-trial detention, were harsh.”
http://web.amnesty.org/report2003/alb-summary-eng
http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/alb-summary-eng
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=24&art_id=nw20070918193110934C566334
It is better for you to bring human Rights in your country first and then criticize Greece.
2007-09-21 03:08:50 · answer #7 · answered by ragzeus 6 · 8⤊ 3⤋
No, but I am aware that in Albanian prisons they hire decorators, masseurs, battlers, and chefs for the prisoners' convenience. There is only a defect: Polynesian cuisine has not yet been adopted, but I hear it soon will.
2007-09-20 08:33:39 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 16⤊ 4⤋
I know this will be an unpopular answer and I am POSITIVE I will get some thumbs down....but some people deserve to be tortured!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How can some people go to a different country, break its laws, steal from the people, make life miserable for everyone, and then expect a royal treatment????????? Believe me, innocent people that mind their own business, leave others alone and obey the laws of a foreign country will not be tortured.
2007-09-20 08:40:13 · answer #9 · answered by dvatwork 7 · 12⤊ 7⤋
How dare you blame Greece of such cases? The Pakistani story was clearly invented (they even said that they were tranferred to Guantanamo, and then brought but to Omonia suare again !!!!!!!!!!!!) the Albanians were just two of your thousands of compatriots who had just stolen the bag of an old poor lady, and the Afghans wanted to get publicity against U.S.A. blaming a NATO country like Greece.
Such allegations are created and brought forward by Albanian agents, and give the chance to a certain party of the left (the one with the funny name) to pretend to be by the side of "poor suffering immigrants" just to get some votes more.
But this party, and members of other political parties of the oposition (communist party excluded) have never said a word about the Genocide committed by Albanians in Kosovo, against Serbes. And ofcourse, no word about Albanian tortures to the Greek Minority in Northern Epirus by illegal Albanian troops.
And what about our everyday's torture to suffer Albanian crimes in our country, Albanian aggressiveness too, when we cannot even cross a territory they live at in Athens, when they poison even stray dogs and cats, when they forbid us to even pass by the street where they live when walking our dogs out?
As a lawyer I have been convinced at the begining that they are common people just like us. I assumed difficult cases of them and won them all. Most of them, instead of paying me, just disappeared.
Now, with the immense experience I have obtained from my Office and from Courts, I don't even want them to ring the bell of my Office.
Try to go and talk about tortures of your compatriots in your country. You'll be able to do it only once.....
2007-09-20 08:00:44 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 18⤊ 7⤋