Is only America this audacious?

Question

We invade a country and completely ravish its infrastructure and government. Then when we realize it was actually a lot harder than we thought to put a country together, we have the balls to sit there and say that "Iraqis aren't doing their part!"

Last time I checked, Iraq did not asked to be invaded. There were no WMD (Of course that reason was quickly scrapped when even corporate media decided to no longer buy it.) There was no al-Qeada (at that time, now it's a whole different story thanks to American actions). Yet somehow they are responsible for cleaning up the mess we made.

And Americans buy it. They rationalize it by the old American adage, "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps." I suppose they forgot the advice of their fathers: "It's your mess. You clean it up."

Is only America this audacious?

you are right - bush is not america. yet at least 30% of the populace think that this reaction makes perfect sense.

that is 30% too much.

jack -

the differences between iraq and germany are very numerous. obviously if there had been a little thought on the part of the instigators of this war it could easily have been seen.

that is why that argument holds no weight. the bush administration can't just sit back and say "well germany helped us rebuild their country!" and still claim that they did everything in their power to understand and prepare for this war.

jason b -

godwin's law in action.

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

gazza girl -

i did not say that al qaeda did not exist before the war in iraq. i said that is was not present in iraq until after it.

gazza girl -

although what i said could easily be misconstrued as what you thought i said. i apologize for the misunderstanding.

Answer 1

America started an illegal war and occupation in Iraq, they got approval for it from the majority of the population by misleading the public about the presence of Al-Qeada and WMD. The UN was against it for good reason, it wasn't their inspectors that got kicked out. The French were mocked and ridiculed for daring to think about the result of such an invasion. America did not need approval, it went in guns blazing, as audacious as a country can be.

They had no plan, they took allies with them but even fought them telling them that you should not destroy the current military and public service, thinking they knew better. Before the invasion, there were no car bombs, no suicide bombings, no training camps. To those who say he was a tryant, then why isn't the US in Africa and Saudi Arabia (where most of the 9-11 hijackers came from)??

Now their arrogance has got them into a mess, they tell people that it is the Iraqi citizens who need to fix the problem that the US created. The country that was to be a beacon of democracy is in a civil war, due to the US and allies destroying the countries infrastructure. People are far less safe under the liberation than under their dictator.

Bush has succeeded in creating thousands of more extremists, he has done just what they have been warned he would. He took over a country in the middle east, thousands of innocent civilians have been killed (6000 on the first day, compare that with 9-11). And most Americans do not ask themselves what would they do if a muslim country invaded their country, if they watched their family get killed. Would they fight the occupation or accept it.

When will America and its allies learn that patriotism is not blind acceptance of government policy.

Answer 2

I find it funny that people are directing you to Bush when it's the Democratic leadership that has been saying this for quite a while...AND THE PUBLIC AGREES WITH THEM!

Your points are completely correct. WE invaded. WE removed the government. WE need to stay in until it's resolved.

However, WE are not punching bags. WE are not private security for Iraqi parliment. Even you must agree that a parliment month long vacation while OUR troops are building schools is bogus.

It is American. The polls show this. Over 80% wanted to invade in 2003. Now 70% want us out now. It's BS and looks horrible. However you attack the wrong group. It's not the 30% that agree with the war that is your problem. It's that 50% that switched over because it's soooo hard. It's a political party playing games with the dead....it's a media too much focussed on Vietnam.

Answer 3

I agree with Jason B, the Nazi's were worse. The Spanish conquistadors, the imperialist British and French were also full of arrogance.

Last year, a top US Diplomat said in Arabic:
"there was arrogance and there was stupidity from the United States in Iraq", but a US State Dept spokesman said this was a mistranslation, and the diplomat himself gave no further comments.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1022-01.htm

Answer 4

Did you just attribute the formation of al Quaeda to America? Did you REALLY just say that al Quaeda did not exist before we invaded Iraq?

You should really stop reading sympathizing, left wing publications, that are filling your mind with indignation, instead of FACTS.

For if you knew the FACTS, you would not have exposed yourself as a fool. Al Quaeda (and many other terrorist factions) most CERTAINLY DID exist way before we invaded Iraq. By the time we invaded, they had admitted to carrying out several terrorist attacks in the US and in Europe.

LEARN ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DISCUSS, BEFORE CARRYING ON ABOUT IT.

And as for the rediculous notion that only America is audacious enough to invade another country and ravish it's infrastructure and government- were you asleep for ALL four years of highschool?

Did you miss the part about COLONIZATION? Where several powerful European countries INVADED, more impoverished, underdeveloped countries around the world, decimated them, and then exploited their natural resources and enslaved the enhabitants? Did you miss that? As a matter of FACT, genius, the United States IS a former colony, which after shrugging off the yoke of it's oppressor, had to develop it's own government and as you say "put a country together".

Why don't you go watch Kid Nation or something, and leave the political discussions to people who actually take the time to learn about what they want to discuss?

Answer 5

"when America has overwhelmingly rejected her" is that whay she DOMINATED the popular vote? Hillary Clinton is the bigest asset to Barack Obama in the fall elections. Hillary would help Obama get the woman voters, the working classmen, and the hispanics, whic covers about 2/3 of America. He NEEDS her, she should be the VP, expericance, pressure control, smart stratagizing- which Obama will need. Democrats are known to back down to republicans, Hillary WONT back down, she will fight all the way, fall 7 times- stand up 8. She would be a GREAT VP.

Answer 6

sadaam fulfilled his usefullness to us and was set up like a bowling pin thereafter. i do not condone his tyrannical behavior but it is perhaps understandable seeing the violence in iraq today and the sectarian animosity. we put him in power and armed him to the teeth when it served our purpose(counterbalance to iran and privatation of iraqi oil). we looked the other way as he attacked iran causing millions to die and possibly gassed his own people. we gave him the nod when he talked of invading kuwait many say because of slant drilling iraqi oil. this was the beginning of his set up. as sadaam came into power iraq had the highest literacy rate in the middle east and a thriving middle class. the first gulf war and our later embargo/sanctions caused great distress to iraq, possibly more damage than sadaam himself. these facts plus our current fiasco have taken a once proud nation and totallt ruined it. is it no wonder they hate us? imho no reparation will undo this animosity and damage to their country and the only recourse to us is to leave and let the UN do their job of peackeeping, with all concerned countries pitching in at our expense. that and a sincere appology may be the only choice we have.

Answer 7

well yes we are but consider this,At the time of the Iraq invasion most Americans were worried that a potential enemy was ready and poised for attack though if we had taken time to look at and scrutinies the evidence we might not be in this situation,however it could also argued that our current administration already knew what we know now but used Iraq as an easy target,not just to bring stability to a hostile area but give those who wish to target America an alternative place to strike rather than here on American soil,thus actually protecting Americans by causing these extremist yahoo's to divert their attention from our homeland to Iraq to strike back at Americans(remember Islamic law does not permit the killing of women and children under any circumstances but allows open killing of enemy combatants)

Answer 8

gazza girl
you have no idea what you are tallking about. He said alqaeda did not exist IN IRAQ. The US invaded a country that it had no reason to invade. They had done nothing to you. All that you achieved was to destabilise the entire region. While you might not have liked saddam, he kept the country stable

You have created chaos, now you must fix it

Answer 9

Obviously you have zero grasp of reality or History. Do you think the Germans just sat around and waited for us to rebuild everything after WW2,or do you think they perhaps tried to help rebuild their country?

The Iraqis are proving why it was at least partly a good thing to have Saddam in power,because he at least managed to keep them from killing each other in droves over 1000 year old feuds. But apparently that's their main priority,so I say pull out and let them get to it.

Jack

Answer 10

How many years After the war did it take the founding fathers to write our Constitution?