Anyone can choose to opt-out of a capitalist system,you can't opt out of a socialist one. Which is more free?

Question

Anyone who calls themself a Libertarian or a True Liberal is COMPELLED to despise socialism in all its forms.

Answer 1

All citizens would benefit from freedom. Whether you are a selfish bastard and want six yachts or you are a Jesuit priest who wants to feed the poor; even a lazy person who wants to work less and drink more beer would benefit. Our GNP would easily double and prices for health care and energy would look like prices for bread.

Government forces us to contribute half of our fruits to support their own selves and 1% of America that are their friends and if there is anything left it trickles back to us. Think of what we could accomplish in this world if government didn’t siphon off half our effort, and give us thee things in return: little, nothing and harm.

It is bad enough when we pay $10 to deliver $1 of service, but I would like everyone to understand that quite often we actually pay $10 and get nothing in return except harm. If you went to the hospital for a broken arm and came back with duct tape on your arm and two broken toes would you pay the bill?? To continue with the health theme, prior to government involvement in health care costs were 10% of what they are now, we had more supply in relation to demand, and the 1% that couldn’t afford it were taken care of by charity.

Government purports to "fix" problems by either subsidy or regulation. We have credible data that can prove easily that when you subsidize something you get less of it and when you regulate it you get more.

So, when the music stops, everyone get up and move to the other side of the political isle and support the opposite of what you want. Or just embrace freedom.

Answer 2

Oh, really? Just how would you go about opting out of whatever system is in play? I suppose you could choose to leave the country, but that isn't a viable option for many people. They are stuck with whatever system is being used at the moment. I think it would be wise to use the best elements of each system to come up with one that works for the most people. Democracy is best, but there is no law that I am aware of that says we cannot adopt elements of others as long as the Republic stands as envisioned by the Founding Fathers. And, I disagree you can't opt out of a socialist government. I believe you are confusing socialist with communist, in which case, your statement is true. You cannot opt out of communistic governments. Any French man or woman, which is currently under a certain amount of socialist machinery, is free to leave their country anytime they want.
I am a "True Liberal", as you put it. Your opinion of one is interesting, even though it is my opinion that you are misinformed.

Answer 3

One's ability to "opt out" of capitalism is quite a difficult proposal. In order to truly do so, one would have to move to the mountains and produce all ones own goods, generate one's own electricity (or go without) and abstain from any exchange with the capitalist world or any other person.
As long as one has a job, employs others, buys goods or services, sells goods or services or loans or borrows money, one is participating in the capitalist economy.
One could likewise opt out of a socialist economy, by moving to the same mountain mentioned above.
Socialism, like capitalism, is a means of organizing (or not organizing) production and distribution of goods. In order to opt out of either, one would have to remove themseleves entirely from society.
And once another person joins you on the mountain, there will inevitably be some exchange of goods or labor, which must be organized somehow. Generally such arrangements reflect a "primitive communism," such as one would have seen in societies that had not yet achieved the productive abilities to produce surplus goods for trade outside of their own village.

Answer 4

Capitalist government has been the norm for many years, but through corruption we have found that this might not allways work. I believe that we cannot take away the capitalist thinking, but there is a need for a socialist ideal. Health care is one exapmle, it is time that we make some changes thinking about all the people, because we do have a very big problem on our hands.

Answer 5

Actually true "liberals" in the classical sense would never have allowed the cowing of individuals from Industry either. Libertarians are not true liberals because they ignore how powerful corporations (a company without risks, created by the government) have become.

Answer 6

how exactly does one opt-out of your medical system? If you dont have insurance, and dont beleive that medical treatment should be only for the welathy, how can you "opt-out" into a universal health care system?

Guess your system is just as restrictive, eh?

Answer 7

I am compelled to despise the distortion and misrepresentation of the right in regards to Socialism (this country has always had elements of Socialism) and Fascism (which bush has been sneaking in for seven years now).

Answer 8

I can opt out of paying for the war in Iraq? Lol!

Where do I sign up?

Answer 9

Wow, let's see... Pay through the nose for substandard health care insurance that will get cancelled if I should ever really need it or have health care through the government that I can add coverage to if I desire. It's a no-brainer for me...

Answer 10

I agree with your premise. I just don't think tax-payers should have to continue to carry the financial burden of those who "opt out" of capitalism.

And by this I mean that I am not in favor of a complete laissez faire form of economics. I do believe in caveat emptor, but I do not think globalism has made it possible for us regular citizens to know what we are buying.