Why do Conservatives call it Socialized Healh Care when every Democracy in the world has it, except the U.S.?

Question

If they don't like Canada's or Germany's plan, how about Israel?

Here's Israel's plan http://www.la-briut.org.il/english/article/?id=5d4818ba4f9348515449e5720b25ea78

Answer 1

Let's face it. The influence of the right wing in America is much stronger and much more harmful than it is in any other industrialized nation. They want to spend and spend on the military and killing other nations' people. but decry any spending that is worthwhile and beneficial to Americans. Social spending just isn't sexy enough to them, they want big ugly toys that can scare and kill anyone who gets in their way and make big pretty loud explosions.

Answer 2

Erm, possibly because Europeans recognise a sophisticated concept relating to the 'common good', so we are not mislead by puerile and overly simplistic political ideology into believing that all state planning or provisioning is bad: That as a society, or a country, we all suffer if people get left too far behind. That there is a drag factor on the economy 'as a whole' if people are badly educated. That it's immoral and downright wasteful if poor people end up dying simply because their teeth are bad... and that has further costs and ramifications down the line which are unacceptable compared to providing dental care to the populace. That poor water and sanitation causes epidemics, which can also effect everyone. That people will donate blood and organs for the good of strangers, without any further incentive than a cup of tea, because we, or one of our family, may need someone else's blood or kidney one day. The fact that we are ultimately 'a team' and we need to look out for each other - because if there's a war there are not enough rich folks to fight for themselves (assuming they were willing or able to participate). We do not have quite the rigid, simplistic or biased view towards 'socialism' or social democracy that Americans are taught - we understand there are very clear differences between communism, socialism, social democracy and liberalism for instance and we appreciate that each has some strengths and weaknesses... Above all we are able to recognise that even the USA has elements of each model and that it likes to delude itself that markets are free, although it is the first to want to impose import tariffs and assert market dominance as opposed to genuinely open market competition (ask Mr Gates!).

Answer 3

It seems to me that anything that guarantees equal access is called socialistic by Conservatives. That is why they are trying to destroy the socialistic public school system in America. I agree, it needs to be destroyed, but a more efficient approach would be to turn all schools over to the parents. Such as it is with equal access to medical care. I don't call it health care, because the natural state of existence for Americans and others living here is to adopt extremely unhealthy living choices, and that is what really bothers me about socialized medical care. I don't believe it is either right or efficient to subsidize unhealthy living choices. On the other hand, if some unhealthy choices were gradually eliminated, it might become worth the wait...

Answer 4

It's not an accident that people who live in socialist states with national health care programs come to the US for elective medical treatment. That's because in their home countries, they would be dead long before their turn came up in the queue.

Since the Federal Government has demonstrated a proclivity towards incompetence, my thinking is to not allow the Fed to nationalize 1/6th of the economy. You think healthcare is expensive now? HA! Just you wait my ignorant friend. Just you wait.

You think post-Katrina relief was a mess? You think medicare/medicaid is a nightmarish maze of red tape? Just you wait till the Federal Govt takes over health care. The ignorance of what would happen in the US with national healthcare is nothing less than astonishing.

Just because other nations are doing the wrong thing, doesn't mean we have shut off our brains and do the wrong thing to. Talk to Canadians about their crappy system. Talk to Brits about their legendary dysfunctional system. You'll get the picture.

National healthcare is an unmitigated train wreck coming soon to a newsroom near you.

Answer 5

It is socialized health care, there's no way around that. Realize that universal health care is inherantly socialist. The problem is that most conservatives will say that this means the entire country is turning socialist. Other countries have this system of health care because they don't view health as a commodity to be earned by payment. I don't believe we should either, but many conservatives will argue about the ideas of other countries, rather than creating our own system.

Answer 6

Why do all democracies in the world call themselves democracies when at best they are Republics? Arguing semantics here isn't going to make socialized health care look better.

Answer 7

If it's so great why do Canadians and Europeans come to the US for health care? Explain that. I was out in Minnesota recently and stayed in a hotel near the Mayo clinic. The hotel was absolutely full of Arabs seeking medical care. Why don't those Arabs seek medical care in Canada or Cuba or England if it's so great? They can afford to go anywhere and pay anything and they choose the US. Why? Because we're the best. Socialize it and you ruin it. Guaranteed.

Answer 8

i just hope no one is jumping off a bridge soon. check out polands plan and see if that is what you want. 60% plus on taxes and sometimes days to see the provided healthcare specialist.plus, you are talking 300+ million not 86 mill as in germany,64 mil in france and 6 mil in israel. plus the rich would have access to the same system unless they are banned and that is a whole different problem.i wonder if it would help if we could place reasonable limits on law suits against doctors?

Answer 9

Can't answer a question based on a falacy. Not every Democracy in the world has health care, as matter of fact many are far from it. (BTW Canada and Germany are socialistic as is England to answer why they have it)

Answer 10

Other "Democracies" having socialized medicine doesn't make socialized medicine any less socialistic. This is the dumbest question I've heard all day.