Should we negotiate with criminals in order to stop crime?

Question

Isn't this about as absurd as negotiating with Al Qaeda?

Al Qaeda needs to be defeated, not placated. Unfortunately, the current administration is not capable of doing that. The current adminstration has managed to grow Al Qaeda's resolve and deminish ours.

It's a sad time for America.

David. You can't negotiate with crimals to stop crime. Killers, rapists, and theives will always be killers, rapists and theives. They need locked up and removed from society.
Al Qaeda needs removed from society.
Your answer is way out in left field.

Cody
Where in this question do you see Iraq? Where in this question does it say I support the knothead that invaded Iraq as part of the eradication of Al Qaeda.
You would make a good neoconservative. You don't read objectively.

Answer 1

Al Quaida is the Saudi radical group of about 200 members, whose purpose was to punish the US for having an Air Force base in Saudi Arabia which they consider to be the Holy land.
Your hero, GWB, squandered American treasure and blood on a personal mission of revenge against Saddam, who had banned Al-Quaida, and was the sworn enemy of bin Laden, leader of Al Quaida.

He then closed the Air Force base in question,giving the 9/11 attackers exactly what they had demanded.

Every radical Muslim group will be calling themselves Al Quaida from now on. They have no other connection to the original group.

The people who told you that this war had something to do with Islam, or that Muslims supported Al-Quaida before the invasion of Iraq , or that the Iraqis fighting to get us out of their country are really Al Quaida, are lying to you.

Edit:

Sorry, but your rhetoric led me to believe that you were a war apologist, But my point is terrorist groups can't be negotiated with, OR defeated militarily because they are not political entities, and the example I made about other radicals latching onto the Al-Quaida name because of their success with this administration proves it' It's like trying to smash mercury with a hammer, or exterminating your house with dynamite.

I avoid crime by
1.not being a criminal myself
2.not associating with criminals, or doing business with them
3.keeping an eye on my neighborhood for criminal activity, but otherwise minding my own business

It wouldn't be a bad national policy ,either

Answer 2

We do negotiate with criminals to stop crime. It's called plea bargaining. And how well it works depends on the Prosecutor.

Al Quaida is purely and simply a criminal organization. Treating them like a government sends the wrong message. But, it's not uncommon for gangs to negotiate with each other, and the current administration is also a criminal organization.

Once we get some real Americans in the White House again, we can do the job right, by supporting Local Law Enforcement. In the case of Iraq, that would be the militias and Vigilantes. Here at home, we could stop lumbering the FBI with the politically motivated bureaucrats of Homeland Security.

A few years ago, one of the RNC's talking points was that the FISA court's failure to deliver warrants to the FBI in a timely matter helped the 9/11 plotters. We stopped hearing about that when people started pointing out that the only reason that ever happens is when another agency intervenes to quash the warrants--usually to protect undercover agents and informants.

Treating Al Quaida like a belligerent gives them a credibility that they don't deserve. Fighting them like we would a war trashes civilian property and gains them recruits and financial support.

And maybe, if we didn't have a President who was so personally beholden to the Saudis, we could pressure on that government to do more about them than paying them to attack somebody else instead of them.

Answer 3

This one is tricky as there are a couple of different issues here. First off, it is not possible to negotiate with anybody whose word is no good. It is a waste of time and effort. This is one of the problems our government has. The word of the United States Congress is no good. That makes the word of the United States Government no good. Congress has forgotten that it needed to be very careful about breaking the deals made in previous Congresses for exactly that reason.
When it comes to negotiating with criminals, it becomes necessary to differentiate between types of criminals as the USA is using the word. The problem is that revolutionaries and Al Qaeda are not criminals under the law they abide by. We are at War with Al Qaeda but by declaring them criminals, we remove the possibility of negotiating peace with them and trying to convert them to a more civilized point of view. This has two consequences. First, we have no choice but to kill them all or conquer them and keep them under our thumb as slaves, forever. Secondly, and more importantly, we just in effect declared PAX AMERICANA and said the entire world must abide by our laws. This created a H*** of a lot of sympathizers and supporters for them among nations who do not like or intend to abide by our laws. These were people who if not allies were at least neutral towards us and could have eventually become allies. It becomes harder than ever to remain friends with them and convince them of the correctness of our beliefs. But, not being citizens of the United States, why should they support us in our attempt to create an American empire and Emperor?
There is a world of difference between being at War with someone and treating them as a criminal.

Answer 4

If you kill every criminal there will be noone left. Where do we draw the line on who dies and who doesn't? Assassinate your local jaywalkers? It is a crime isn't it? Comparing this to terrorists is another problem. If you check the implications and reasons for jihad you will find that these people feel justified in this terrorism. That's not to say it's right. Osama and company would be much prettier with a new a#shole right in the middle of his forehead!!!!

Answer 5

We Do negotiate with criminals all the time, witness plea bargains.
However, I would like you to consider the following. Al-Qa'aida is a monster of our own making. I lived and worked in the Middle East for many years, and would like you to consider the following. Bin Laden Construction LTD is the biggest such company in Saudi Arabia, responsible for virtually building the country's infrastructure from nothing. I will tell you later why this is significant. Osama went to Afghanistan to fight Russians and relied exclusively on CIA materiel and training to do the job. Another words, WE trained him, we gave him the knowledge he now uses for his campaign against us. Once again we belived "enemy of our enemy is our friend" without considering dire consequences.
Al-Qa'aida presents a diffuse and asymmetrical threat against us, the military, trained to confront armies, not the shadowy network like Osama built, is the WORST choice to deal with the problem. And he knows it, and uses it against us. Yet we keep repeating the mantra of "fight them there so we don't fight them here", which people, sadly, buy. Unfortunately they do not realize we are not fighting an army, but rather an idea (of Bin-Laden's making), and ideas, unlike people, can not be killed.
Invasion of Afghanistan was totally justified, but we never endured to finish the job. We are now in control Kabul, and the taliban runs rest of the country. Opium production is the HIGHEST in history of this country and Taliban uses the profits to arm and organize against us. We have about 25,000 troops in Afghanistan, most of which are used to guard our troops already there, kind of a self-licking ice cream cone, isn't it ? We never showed the resolve and will to finish the job in Afghanistan, we are now reaping the consequences.
Now, as I promised, the Saudis... they can, if they were willing, stop al-Qa'ida in its tracks through massive influence they have in the Moslem world. They are the ones financing madrasas (religious schools cultivating hatred against us).The king and elder Bin Laden are related. They will NOT for two reasons; 1 they need a specter of *terrorism* which, BTW, is mostly Moslem-on-Moslem to keep them in power, and 2 the connections to the US which keep them what they are... ruthless and absolute rulers of a country which provides us with some of our oil, but has No1 reserves in the world...
Are you aware there are SECRET pacts with the House of Saud signed in 1933 which nobody in the US can access, I wonder what exactly is in those agreements ? Perhaps we CAN'T lean on them, or maybe we do not want to. Are you aware the ONLY planes allowed to leave the US immediately after 9/11 (hours after that horrific event) were ferrying the members of the royal Saudi family back to their country ? hmmmmmmm.........
Saudis can snuff out Al-Qa'ida in a matter of months, they will not... as this will mean an end to their rule...
Why, oh, why, didn't we pursue Osama in Afghanistan with all the might of our military and wipe him out ? I think you know the answer.
Perhaps the real answer to your question is a bit more frightening, we, as the Saudis do, need Al-Qai'da...
Please do not believe we are NOT capable of destroying Al-Qa'ida, we do not want to... excuse of the war on terror was used to do away with Habeas Corpus and the Posse Comitatus is seriuosly threatened and in the process of being dismantled, which will be next ? and at what price ?

Answer 6

No we should not. Al Qaeda does not want to negotiate...this is a winner take all kind of situation. I want my side to be the winners!
What we SHOULD do is take off the kid gloves and let our troops fight!

Answer 7

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Answer 8

So what are you saying that we should kill all criminals? Well the way your question is asked I guess that's what your trying to say. So if one of your children steal something you'd be alright with having him or her shot. Or is it because it one of your children he or she can steal, only if some one else's child steal should there be the death sentence.

Answer 9

AlQueerda is a criminal organization and there can be no negotiations.

If the libs in congress would stop their political pandering,getting rid of these people would be much further along.

Answer 10

False analogy.

Remember, Republicans berate people who want to treat terrorism as a criminal matter, so why should it be compared to one then?