How can that moron on ESPNs College Gameday even think Penn St. should be #5 ???

Question

The guy to the left of Lee Corso (it would be to your right as a viewer) said that Penn State should be #5 in the national polls during the College Final program. Considering who the Lions have played (Florida International, Notre Dame, and Buffalo), how in the hall can he even think this? And why does ESPN always have so many inept commentators considering they are supposed to be the premier sports information network??
I mean, doesn't this tard realize that it was Louisville who lost, not WVU ??? Come on 'Eers fans, what do you think ??

I said the guy to Corsos LEFT, the viewers right. Wasnt Herbstreit the guy on his right, the viewers left ??

And professional opinion should have merit, not bias. I watch the show to hear serious commentary. You can tune back to your Monty Python now, and leave this question to people with a valid comment.

And as for Louisville, they are a good offense. They are what people thought WVU would be, high scorers with no defense. Sorry, but after the way Middle Tenn. scored on them, and them not being able to contain Kentucky to seal the win, they are not showing me a whole team, and nothing near a top 10 team.

To David E, and in your amzing kreskin mind you think wins against Fl. International, Notre Dame, and Buffalo make Penn St top 5 material ? Lmao dude, roll another one.
But your right, is is Herbstreit, mea culpa.

And I don't drink, smoke, or do mind altering substances like you pal. Or perhaps you are just one of those "special people" who lick windows and need help on and off the bus.

Just for one second, let's try and apply your logic to this matter Davie: Penn St beat the Irish, a team who lost to Michigan, who lost to Appy State.
And in that game they gave up 10 points to a team who still has no offensive TDs.
And as for getting pushed around, you don't win by 17 on a team who had at the time the nations #7 defense, and still win by 17. I know the only person who looks forward to talking to you during the week is your bookie when he collects.

Well, you were right about on e thing, you have no idea.
I scored 30 out of 31 on the old ACT (circa 1987), and plowed through the SATS with a miserable 1590. Only got a 38T on my MCAT, but hey it was my first try. No wonder you wear a hood, just wish it masked your ignorance as well as the monotony of your face.

I'm making a point about escalating a team with wins over less than competitve opposition, 7 places in a poll, when none of the 7 it would be replacing lost. Yet you wish to present this as some type of comprehensive matter. It obvious your oblivious to fact, as you fail to comprehend that based on the result of the games played this past week, Penn State should not replace any of the 7 teams ahead. Regardless of which team I am a fan of, there is not enough factual evidence to support that claim. As you cannot logistically support Herbstreit statement, you attempt to change the topic, from football and fact, to unproven, and highly questionable personal blurbs. By god your George Bush. I just wonder which one, Jr or Sr. ?
I asked for fans of WVU's opinon, because we often feel that "politics" come into play whenever our state's universities and colleges are involved in matters. We watched it happen when the ACC came in and ripped the conference apart. ...

We witnessed this when we were not invited to the NCAA tournament last year, but proved we should have been by winning the NIT tournament.
And so, I posed this question more towards Mountaineer fans. It certainly wan't intended for a person who hasn't the ability to defend the statement other than to attack the intellect of the writer, or to attack those who took the time to post a legitimate attempt to answer the question.
Once I was sure it was Herbstreit, I knew where he had played during his college career, and didn't feel the need to attack someone for not knowing. Thank God you appeared to call the fiend out, and show us all just how clever a boy, and I do mean boy, you are.
Now little man, shush. People who wish to express their thoughts about the facts that may have led to the commentators remarks might actually add something valuable, something credible based on facts they can validate. Facts that are germaine to my initial question, and not their need for attention.

And one last note about comprehension. I called you Kreskin as relates to the fact it was proven more than once he was a fraud, a poser just like you.

I admitted I was wrong about the commentator being Herbstreit, yet another FACT you won't admit by stating I won't admit it if I end up being wrong. They may very well end up ranked highly seeing how if people like Herbstreit who do get to vote in the polls put them up further in the polls for wins over great teams like Buffalo, who lost to Rutgers by a much greater score than Penn beat them. But did Rutgers get his pick, despite being unbeaten as well ? For heavens sake, they are 1-2, and from the MAC conference. How good a measuring stick can they be? Yes, I am biased towards WVU, but ask a fan of Cal, or Wisconsin, or any of the 7 teams he placed them ahead of, and see if they too don't wonder how he came to that conclusion.
I think Herbstreit also has a Heisman vote, I may be wrong, but will he also show what I see as prejudice towards the candidates from WVU in that poll?
Thanks, by the way, for calling me Homer. The Odydsey and the Iliad were better reads than your posts.

And when you said "pushed" did you mean they were challenged by a team that let a freshman run for 136 yards in 5 or 6 carries? Or that Maryland really slowed them down, only allowing two players to break the hundred yard mark rushing instead of allowing Slaton, Devine AND White to do so? Or that they played so well the Mountaineers only had two interceptions, or that we held them without a passing first down for two quarters ( equal in length to an entire half)?
I see, so Penn St really "pushed" Buffalo, allowing them to pass for 330 yards, and to score 24 points.
I guess Marshall "pushed" WVU the same way, but we didn't move up 7 sopts in someones poll vote.
Now that's pushing it.
The only things being pushed are your psuedo-intellectualism, and my tolerence.
Yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion. However, people are allowed to question it as well, especially when there is no evidence to support it

Lol talk about bias, you think you are someone special, as oppossed to just special ed. You toss out false syllogisms like Taco bell does cheap food. "Kirk Herbstreit played QB/ Kirk Herbstreit is on TV/ Therefore Kirk Herbstreit cannot be wrong. LMFAO And yet you still ignore the FACTS of Buffalo passing for over 300 yards against Penn State. Guess you can't get it through your head that any facts, other than those that support you, are valid. So, brainiac, defend a team getting passed on for over 300 yards by a tiny little school like Buffalo, being placed over teams like Cal or Ohio State. Oh what's that, you can't!
FYI, the 'Eers dropped one spot after beating Marshall. Penn should drop two for allowing Buffalo to score 24 points, accordingly. You still can't defend your initial statement about being "pushed" by Maryland after facts hit the board.
And now suddenly "pushed" has indeed come to imply being pushed around on field.
Take another Valtrex, and go into remission.

OK, you have some valid points blibbity. However, can the Penn St defense be considered good when Bufallo did throw the ball for 330 some yards against it ? I mean, it was Buffalo, not say The Rainbow Warriors passing attack...

And yes, Kentucky won at home, and it is a great win for them. But, they won by one TD, at home, agasint a team that let Middle Tenn. score 40 points as well, and they only did it in the last moments of the game. Like I said, it really is a great win for UK, but it wasn't a dominant win in my mind. Sorry, I'm not impressed with Louisville this year. Brian Brohm is one heckuva QB, but the Cards defense is really soft.

Answer 1

I didn't see the show, so I don't really know what or if he said that, but it seems kinda hard to spot a team that many places on a poll just like that. Texas won, Cal won, who lost that was ranked higher than Penn St. on the poll ? I mean, Penn has got almost as soft a schedule as it could get.
Geez, you'd think this was more a moronathon between a football fool and an egomaniac with an insecurity complex than anything about football. You two are arguing apples and oranges, and you're both bananas.
Dirty, if you're upset about where your team was placed on someones wish list, maybe you could phrase your question a bit differently so you don't provide people with fodder. And you don't have to attack someone because they have a differing opinon, do you? Calling anyone a "tard" really doesn't convey the intelligence you claim to have.
And as for you David, people with real intellectual achievement don't ramble on endlessly about how smart they are. They are secure enough in the knowledge of their knowledge. I don't know if it's true, but if the dude scored that well on his MCATs, he can't be a mental midget.
Why don't you use your comprehensive skills to illuminate the reasoning behind what Kirk said, instead of insulting people like Calfan and dirty?
If your so smart, and you hint that you specialize in comprehension of the language, why do your remarks contain so many incorrectly spelled words, a plithera of run on sentences, and other grammatical errors?
I mean if your comprehension provides you that kind of clarity, why did you respond once you read his question was for fans of the Mountaineers in the first place?
If you remember who Kreskin was, you validate the reference by your own admission, because the reference in it's entirety is obscure in todays day and time.
My prediction is that Kreskin would guess you are both imbalanced.

Answer 2

Well, Lee Corso appears to have ADD or something because he never seems to be quite there, and yeah Penn St. will probably get smoked by The Ohio State University and the likes of Michigan.
I do like Kirk Herbstreit though, but you got to realize they are trying to communicate to the masses, so they can't be too eccentric.

As for Louisville, they are a good team, you'll find that out, and they lost to a good kentucky team on the road that has been getter better the past few years and are very competitive now in a ridiculously tough SEC. West Viginia is good too, ironically the Big East is superior to the ACC after they got looted.

Answer 3

At this stage in the season, it isn't as much about wins and loses and who beat who as talent and potential. I personally think that WVU looks good, but really the entire top ten could be shuffled and it wouldn't bother me a bit. He thinks Penn State is 5th because they have a returning starter at QB, a great defense with probably the best defensive player in the country, and one of the best coaches of all time. That's his logic, not the first three opponents. USC hasn't played anyone(sorry husker fans, but Nebraska still sucks) and they are number 1 on most everyones list.

Answer 4

That's Kirk Herbstreit, and he used to be QB at Florida. Generally, he just makes crazy retarded predictions, and they often are proven to be wrong. I mean Penn St was like what, 13th? So, they skipped that many teams (WV, Cal, Texas to name a few) because they beat BUFFALO? Seriously? BUFFALO? I mean, they didn't beat USC, IT'S BUFFALO. I don't think you deserved to jump over anyone for beating Buffalo. Duke would have a chance against Buffalo.
BTW, GO DUKE, WHAT A GAME. The Duke-Northwestern game should have been known as "Loser Bowl, presented by.... Trim-Spa" or whatever it was Anna Nicole Smith used to advertise for weight loss. The game was between the longest (then) active losing-streak versus the longest losing-streak of all time, how exciting!

Answer 5

Well, they should move up to tenth, maybe even ninth.

They would fit at 5th also...only because it is too early for anyone to take the rankings that seriously. 5 thru 10 could pretty much go any which way.

Just like the Top 5, USC, LSU, OU, WVU, FL...you could put these in just about any order as well, as long as WVU is 5th.. no offense to West Virginal fans, just my opinion..lol.

Answer 6

No, they shouldn't be Top 5, especially after playing three of the worst teams in the FBS and getting to play a fourth one next week (Michigan).

Top 5 are USC, OU, LSU, UF, and WVU.

Answer 7

listen dude the only reason they are gtting this kind of publicity is because of their schudule being so easy and those guys on ESPN admit but they dont outright say they have a **** schedule.
If you look at Penn States schedule its hard not to say they wont go 12-0.

Answer 8

Dude, Kirk Herbstreet has more college football knowledge in his pinkie that you do in your Everclear muddled brain.

yeah, gotta love how WVU screwed around with a Marshall team that lost to a I-AA team this week. Or how they got pushed by a Maryland team that had a hard time getting past Villanova and Fla. International..

That's why the polls are taken every week, so people can change their mind. But if we get to week 8 or 9 and the Nittany Lions are still undefeated, are you going to be man enough to come back on here and ask "So how big a jerk am I for thinking I know more than the football analysts who get paid to offer their opinion on national cable outlets?"

I doubt it.

And I don't know what Penn St. is going to do this year. Hell, I can't stand them. But the quality of their schedule doesn't change the quality of their team. You need to chill out and stop thinking you're smarter than you are.

edit: And I do love how "calfan" thinks he knows something. Herbstreet was the starting quaterback for The Ohio State University, not Florida.

edit: No, I don't think that the wins against those teams makes them a top 5, Kirk Herbsteet does. And the victories against those teams in convincing fashion have done nothing to disprove his opinion. He has his opinion, and it has yet to be disproven.

And thanks for calling me "kreskin" after I stated that I have no idea what Penn St. is going to do this year.

I bet you had some challenges on the reading comprehension section of you Iowa Tests.

Yeah sport, I took the ACT in 1988 and got a cumulative of 32. ............. The cumulative used to be scored out of 34 until they adjusted the scoring scale to make it out of 36 in the early 90s. It was never out of 31, guaranteed. Look it up........ Next.

And once again, your reading comprehension is called into question. Did I say "Pushed around"? Ummmm...... nope, sure didn't . I said they got "pushed". There is a distinct semantic difference. Unfortunately, your skill of linguistic discernment is sincerely lacking.

And once again, at any point have I tried to establish the fact that Penn St. is worthy of that top 5 ranking? No. Read my words. I only stated that he is the college football expert and you have absolutely no evidence to refute his assessment.

Seriously, I could care less about PSU. You only seem to be grinding an axe because he chose them over WVU.


Seeing as how the polls merely represent an average ranking of the multiple opinions of the voters in the poll, criticizing one particular voter because he has chosen to make public the fact that his evaluation of a team is on the high end of that team's overall assesment is idiotic. Wouldn't it much more liberating to admit the impetous for your questioned rested solely with the fact that you felt Herbsteet should have included WVU in his top 5 rather than Penn St. All you do is spout about your "'Eers" in here. You are an obvious homer with a persecution complex. WVU will lose at least 2 regular season games this year. At a glance, I would say that USF will get you again this year (at their home this time) and either Rutgers or Louisville will outscore you in a shootout.

And like I said before, I couldn't give a rat's @ss about Penn St. or WVU, but should PSU happen to run the table and finish the year in the top 5, will you be man enough to come back in here and admit that you're simply full of p*ss and vinegar rather than objective college football analysis? I'm thinking no.

Yes, Sporto, I dwell in the facts. The fact that you are subjectively biased about WVU. The fact that you are simply having a "we don't get any respect" pity party for yourself by even asking this question. Herbsteet is "inept" and "a tard" simply because he does not rate your team as highly as you think they should be?

So don't condescend me, Champ. I am just as intelligent as you think you are. And I am able to view this subject from a completely objective point of view. And this is something of which you are clearly not capable.

Really, because in common idiom the term "Kreskin" usually refers to a mind reader or a predictor of the future. It's good to know that you went with a more obscure reference, we clearly have all forgotten the great "Kreskin debunking trial". And my well thought out, intelligently argued well stated opinions clearly show that I have no idea whatsoever that I'm talking about.

Homer.

Oh, your tolerance is being pushed? Poor sweet baby. And yes, they were pushed by Marshall as well. When you are losing to a team that you are a 24 point favorite against halfway through the 3rd quarter, you are being pushed. When ESPN starts running "Upset Alerts" about said game, you are being pushed. Quoting the final stats of the game doesn't prove a thing. I watched Marshall move the ball up and down the field at will during the first half. But then in the second half, WVU came out and started throwing quick outs to the wide receivers because the Marshall DBs were giving them an 8 yard cushion off the line so they wouldn't get burned deep. After forcing the corners to come up and play tight, they then began to work on the middle of the Herd defense by running quick hitters off the guards to take advantage of the Marshall safties who had cheated in further and further to provide run support. After establishing these new tactics, the secondary was forced to play more honestly, which then opened up the running game on the edges, allowing the WVU running game to exploit its speed advantage. So when you ENTERED THE 4TH QUARTER AHEAD BY ONLY 4 POINTS (and if that's not being pushed, then I don't know what is) Devine and Slaton were able to rip off huge gains against a worn down , athletically outmatched defense. So please, tell me some more how I don't know what I'm talking about.

And as for psuedo- intellectualism, I am not the one partaking in ad homonym attacks in an effort to prove my point. I am applying logic, refuting your claims, and offering new points of contention which you convenietly ignore. Instead you commit logical fallacy after logical fallacy and somehow convince yourself that you've actually proved anything. Your opinions are biased. I have no vested rooting interest in either team. But I'll give you this, you certainly are a pompus piece of something for someone who hasn't actually proven anything.

Answer 9

It's called his opinion.

What do you want everyone to just agree?? No one would watch the show.