could zionist have instigated the Holocaust in order to establish Israel?

Question

The zionist movement began to gather pace in the late 1800s, now fighting for the land god gave them we know is something they lack the courage to do, so could they have instigated the Holocaust, knowing that this would gain sypathy to the Jews, and also that after another world war, the British would be to weak to reist their Terrorism, and would give the Zionist their state. Think about it

Answer 1

When we are angry about a situation it is easy to start thinking 'conspiracy' to make ourselves feel more self-righteously justified in our anger toward what we perceive as the more powerful. It is a reaction to perceived bullying.

Did WWII play a part in what happened? Certainly. Did the Jewish people gain the courage to fight for a place of their own BECAUSE of what happened to them in Germany and Europe? Yes. And no, they weren't the only people labeled 'undesirables' and slaughtered like animals, but BECAUSE of their banking interests and other factors (historical and otherwise) they were the perfect target to blame inside Germany when the economic disaster - caused by the stupid Treaty of Versailles - allowed the Nazi's to take over and ultimately threaten the peace of the whole world.

Was all this calamity justification for what followed? Perhaps not, but the Jewish plight during WWII when countries like the U.S. and others, turned many away not knowing they would be slaughtered, certainly helped with their PR push for a Jewish State - needing a safe place/homeland. There is an underlying sympathy for the Jewish people that is not likely to go away, but the plight of the Palestinians has been horribly neglected and exacerbated by bloodshed and retaliation. We all know the story.

But, now it CANNOT be ignored and people have begun to shift in the other direction. With new serious people (and especially AFTER the next US election) working on the intractable problems they will ultimately be resolved. The worst part of the issue at present is that there are many who do not WANT a solution on both sides. It is hard for any ego to give up what it hates - in order to make peace - because humans become 'attached' to the FEELING of self-righteous anger.

Something to remember, during the chaos of Israel's establishment, It was the leaders in surrounding Arab states who ENCOURAGED the Palestinians to vacate their land for stupid strategic purposes and then refused to take them in as refugees after the plan backfired and turned into a human calamity. It was a colossal error, but there is plenty of blame to go around for the present state of the debacle.

There are people working on this horrible problem, and though it may appear intractable, there is hope for its future resolution. The catastrophic U.S. foreign policy error in Iraq - in reaction to the terrorist attacks - and the growing struggle within Islam itself, not to mention the fight for resources (primarily the oil needs of China) will force the world to pay attention and work toward comprehensive solutions.

Answer 2

NO WAY sorry.

I have seen concentration camps with my own two eyes, and NO nationality or religious order would order the mass execution of their own people just to gain former Palestine into Israel.

Yes I believe they were fighting to have their own independent country but never at the expense of the Holocaust.

That was the dream of HItler and his mad mania of henchmen like Himmler, Borman, Mengle.

I have thought about it, so in return GO TO any concentration camp, you can still smell the death in the air , esp nearer the crematoriums. I can not fathom that the Jews would cause such devastation upon themselves just to obtain a country.

SURE Religions do wage war on one another for land such as in the Crusades but that is not the same as just giving in and allowing your enemy to mass execute your people.

So no i do not believe that is the case. I am not Jewish, Christian or Muslim, I am Wiccan yet i still accept what happened as an atrocious crime against humanity and no way did they do this to themselves to get a country.

Go to one or more Concentration camps and see if you still feel the same way. Buchenwald, Aushwitz and Dachau are all still in tact enough and are museums now you can see what life was like for them and others non Jew as well, like Gypsies, my people Wiccans, and even their own people Germans they thought were Political enemies.

I hope that helps

Answer 3

Great reasoning there. So let me see if I got this right.

The Jews instigated Hitler to slaughter about six million of them, taking the big risk that he would not win the war and kill the rest of them. Which by the way was a very big risk at the time because Hitler had a very powerful army and allies in Japan and Italy.
Then if they won the gamble, the few stragglers would get their homeland back.
Brilliant, why didn't I think of that.
Those Jews are just so cunning.


Moron

Answer 4

I have read some very stupid things on this site, but for you to say people would purposely provoke the killing of their own mothers, fathers, cousins etc. is so offensive, your type of hatred should not be tolerated

Answer 5

With this type of created myth, it is easy to see where conspiracy theories come from. That is people with a political agenda and reading your previous questions it is easy to see your intent.

Answer 6

ideas like this are what keeps humanity from reaching its true potential. I'm sad for you, that you live your life with these asinine and foolish "thoughts".
Hopefully you will read a history book or two....seriously you are offensive

Answer 7

ONLY IF YOU COULD REWRITE HISTORY.

OR COULD HAVE CONVINCED HITLER TO BE A MEANIE.