what do you think?

Question

The republican wants to be successful. He/she wants to have the option of becoming rich and keeping those riches. If he/she is already rich they want the freedom of keeping what they have earned.

The democrat is becomming the party of I want what others want and dont want to work for it. Its the party of give me riches because im poor attitude. its the party of entitlement. But what they forget is that by asking for these things that money has got to come from taxation. Taxation of the rich and the middle class. sure the democratic party is fighting for universal healthcare...but whats going to happen is people will be taxed more to get it. and their station in life will not change. Increase minimum wage? sure but the companies will have to increase prices to cover that increase in cost and peoples station in life will not change.

People point to Britain and other countries and how well their health care and socialist systems work.. yet the taxes in those countries is close to 50% of wages...is that really what you want? do you really all think that will help your overall station in life?

oh for crying out loud.. want to explain how Im wrong???! its pretty simple. Want more government (like universal health care), that brings higher taxes. This effects the Middle class more than anyother group. Instead of just saying im wrong.. prove it. just like a lib.

Finally someone with a brain, Mr Knowit...Brings up something valid. But his numbers do not match up on a couple points.

For instance. I make approx 1400 every two weeks. I spend 44 dollars in health insurance. in that 2 week period. this is fairly average in the US, a friend of mine who lives across the country makes 3400 every month and pays 22 dollars a month in health care. He has a better employer who covers a higher percentage than mine. The same health care that I have that if an indivdual were to buy it would cost them 388 dollars a month.. all these scenerios are a hell of a lot better than this one....John in Britain makes 1000 pounds every two weeks. after taxes he makes 568 Dollars but his health care is taken care of.

Im not talking about trickle down economics. Or giving healthcare to lazy poor people... I did not mention any of this or even believe any of this. Im simply stating a truth that if you ask the government for something like this. It will not change your station in life. I dont want more of my paycheck to be givin away to subsidize a Universal health care system. Im fine with what I have. Ive worked very hard for what I have. Someone talked about a shrinking middle class. The biggest contributer to that is Debt!. weve turned into a society of i wants instead of I shoulds. Live a debt free life. Im doing that now..its amazing how much your station in life changes when your not paying 122 dollars for every 100 borrowed...but thats a different subject

Answer 1

I think you paint a picture of simplicity. In reality, the issues are MUCH more complex, and there are several things that you are missing.

First, our country was never meant to operate on a 'two-party' system. This was NOT the America that our fore-fathers envisioned. They envisioned a democracy with many different parties, and a system of checks and balances.

Second, most Americans do not agree with ALL of their chosen party's stand on every issue. For instance, a person that feels strongly about legalized abortion and yet approves of gun owner's rights has no clear choice in cantidates. Republicans and Democrats do not fit thier values, but they are forced to either chose a party or 'waste' thier vote (an oxymoron if I've ever heard one. There is no such thing as a wasted vote, but this is the mindset of most people).

Third, you are missing an important dynamic in politics. You must establish a 'base' of voters. It's only natural that a party evolves for the lower and middle classes. However, most welfare recipients DON'T vote. As a matter of fact, 66% of voters report an income of over $40,000.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p20-556.pdf

It's not that the poor are voting themselves money. Many people feel an obligation to help those less fortunate. We live in a Christian nation, and these values extend to our social policies.

Fourth, you need to look at the WHOLE picture. Here's a taste. The following are not my words. They are Donald Rumsfield's words. As much as I may not like his policies, he is a pretty intelligent fellow. Watch him testify. The money that he mentions could fund ALL social programs in the U.S. for the next 20 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRqeJcuK-A

I know this is a long post, but I truly hope you will consider some of the points I've made. Most importantly, I hope you watch the video. It's an eye opener for any American taxpayer.

Answer 2

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Answer 3

Most of the poor work.

In fact, a lot of them work more than one job.

They make almost no money for their work; those they work for rake in huge piles of dough from other people's work.

That's wrong.

It's actually the right (which now includes Democrats, who abandoned the working people quite some time ago) who are the entitlement advocates. They think that the very few who run companies should make tens of millions in bonuses, on top of their hundreds of millions in salaries, and the people who actually do most of the work should starve.

They don't earn that money. They should be paid more reasonable amounts of money, as should those who do most of the actual work.

People who work full time should be able to afford to live.

Why are there so many people who think otherwise?

There are a lot of 3 income households (1 parent has 1 job, the other 2) that are stuggling. That just is NOT right.

The policies you support are leading us into a Feudal-type system wherein a very few own everything, and the vast majority are their serfs.

Why do you want that? Do you really want to doom your grandchildren to slave their lives away for a few crusts of bread, and die young?

Why do you think that's the moral high ground?

Answer 4

We can argue about what is the purpose of government, how much government should do and what it should stay out of. Different people have different ideas about that.

But the discussion never actually gets to that point. Conservatives believe government is just -evil-, that government just can't work. So when they're in charge, they have no incentive to -make- government work. They fill it up with cronies, raid the treasury to make their friends rich.

Yes, universal healthcare won't work if the Republicans run it. It won't work any better than FEMA or the Iraq War or the FDA or the Consumer Product Safety Commission. A few big campaign contributors will get rich, the rest of us will pay more for less.

But Republican selfishness, incompetence and criminality doesn't eliminate the need for govt. services. It's hard to imagine that in the richest country in the world 45-50 million people can't get access to health care. It's the government's role to ensure that people can get health care.

Medicare is one of the few big govt. programs that actually works! Its overhead is WAY cheaper than commercial insurance. It doesn't play games trying to deny service. Nobody who has Medicare is really unhappy with it, I mean people have complaints but they're glad to have it. It's not 'socialized medicine', all the govt. does is act as the insurance company, the care is all provided by private companies. And despite Republican warnings, price controls have not led to widespread shortages.

If we just expanded Medicare to cover everyone, we would save tens of billions of dollars a year.

Yes it's true that all the other developed countries pay more in taxes than we do. But what they pay for health care is half or less of what we pay, and they get as good or better service, at least in terms of outcomes.

Answer 5

You put it very well. The Republicans, from my view of many years, have always been more for our people and what is the right way to do things. Where the Democrats always have had a completely different approach. Their only goal is to get a Democrat for President any way they can. And, they always have to put down any other party which is usually the Republicans. They can't get into office on their on merits; so the only way they know is to put down the other guy so his party looks so bad that people will want a Democrat. I have always resented their approach to anything in politics.
The Democrats will lead us towards that 50% tax on our wages. No, it isn't what I want. I don't believe that they really care about our overall station in life. Only their controlling this country.

Answer 6

In reference to one of your updates. No, you do not spend $44 every two weeks on health care insurance. I'm betting it's probably $400 to $600. I think your $388 per month figure is awfully optimistic. Mine is $1,200 including vision and dental, most of which is picked up my employer. My brother-in-law's business, whom I do the bookkeeping for, pays $678 per month per employee for health care only, but it's a pretty meager policy, covering little more than 1/2 of expenses, except routine checkups.

Otherwise, I agree mostly with what you said, except maybe the Dems aren't the party of "I want what the others have." I think they are the party of "It's not fair that they have it and I don't."

Answer 7

I also agree with bgee, and you need to get a grip...

The only party with entitlement is certain rich Republicans and the Republican party. I remember reagan and both bushes trying to make people believe "the trickle-down" theory of economics work for all, when in fact it only worked for the rich. By lessening taxes for the rich, they wanted everyone to believe the money would "trickle-down" to everyone else. What a lie. Rich people will NOT spend their money on anyone else but to other rich people. Therefore, the lower class people got poorer, and the Middle Class was disappearing. The only time the Middle Class benefited from a President since 1980 was during the Clinton Administration.

People want to see benefits from working. They do not want to work, then look back and see they have NOTHING to show for it, then turn on the TV and see Paris Hilton party and sleep with people when she has done NOTHING for it but be the jackpot on sperm donation.

Now go re-educate yourself on the truth...

EDIT: And JUST what do you think is going to happen after the WAR? Don't you think taxes will be RAISED to pay for bush and cheney's MISTAKE and RAID ON OUR MONEY THAT IS IN THEIR POCKET'S? And I would take a look at government right now. Government has become BIG under the bush administration.

Both of your replies are false. I won't say just like a Con, but I will say just like someone who would listen to the truth...

Answer 8

What do I think?

I think you parrot the jaded and ignorant Republican spin that most from your party pontificate, devoid of anything informative and makes suppositions that are based on fallacy. Even your own rhetoric exposes you as a supporter of cutting off "hand outs" to the poor but support "hand outs" to the rich. This sentence, in your own words, says it all:

"If he/she is already rich they want the freedom of keeping what they have earned."

If you are born into wealth and already rich, what have you earned? Did George Bush "earn his wealth"? Did Ted Kennedy "earn his wealth"? Or did they expand their wealth from power and connections they got from their families?

Yes, let's not give welfare to "poor, lazy people", but you're OK with handing out 800 million dollar Medicare bills that line the pockets of the pharmaceutical and health care industries without providing any increase in service to the public.

Maybe the poor lazy people just need better lobbyists and bigger campaign contributions. Either you are full of crap or extremely naive.

Answer 9

Well in contrast to what the first answerer said, I say way to go, and tell it like it is, everything you have stated is pure and simple common sense, and your right about Britain also, that's why everyone is leaving in droves and have been for years and years, the tax is astronomical and for what? only to be used for the comfort of the millions of immigrants legal/illegal, who are living like Kings and Queens, meanwhile there is anarchy brewing amongst the indigenous people, crime is at an all time high, and the law abiding citizens are the victims of society's breakdown, hence the reason folk's are flocking to the BNP, they see it as their only hope the lesser of all the evils, with the hope of trying to preserve our heritage.

Answer 10

In the US the average person works until mid May to pay taxes and has precious little to show for it:
No health care
No way to pay for higher education
No guarantee that his/her pension will not be stolen by the corporation they worked for
No guarantee that Social Security will be viable.

Oh wait, they will still have to pay off the several trillion dollar debt of the Iraq War, or maybe their children and grandchildren will be paying it.