New rules Vs history??

Question

First of I'm all for the new rules, who doesn't like a shoot out, and who wants to see a tie? I sure don't. My question is, in this new era of hockey, how do we compare the stats and records of the past, with current stats and records. I know the 5 min OT has been around for a while now, but with that and the addition of the shoot out, players have the potential to rack up more goals through out the season, than guys did back in the day, so how can we compare modern day goal scores vs historical ones, and if anyone does break greztky's record do we put an asteric next to the name, and list their amount of OT and shootout goals, and can we really consider that breaking the record?
What about goalies? With no more ties, they'll obviously have many more wins. Will we have to take OT wins into consideration, maybe not even count them, when listing a goalie on the all time win list?? Or will people simply refuse to compare a modern day goalie with Roy, lets say, since they're

from two different era's

Ok, I admit I just assumed s.o. goals counted towards a players stats just because its a huge part of the game now, the ability to score on shoot outs has decided many games, I am happy to hear it doesn't count towards a players goal, but it still should be a stat of its own, since it is such a huge factor in the game today.
As for "real fans" hating shoot outs, I've been a "real fan" for many years, and its great for the sport, it brings in new fans which is great, cause we all remember the year with out hockey.
As for golie wins not being an important stat, it really is and its probably the biggest stat used to determine a goalies greatness. Brodeur is heading to the top of the win list and could potentially pass Roy, but how can you put Brodeur's name above some one elses with out adding an asterec.
To the person who said a goalie only wins if they have a good team, the goalie is by far the most important player . Have u forgotten hasek in the mid 90's?

Answer 1

Shoot-out goals DO NOT count in the stats. Also, while my stance on the shoot-out has softened, I was never bothered by a tie, atleast a team didn't get a point for LOSING, which is now the case.
I do however agree with you about the goalie wins, those in the future will certainly get more. For instance, Brodeur beat Bernie Parent's record of wins of 47 with 48 wins. Luongo tied the record 47. The record had held since 1973-74. Obviously this record has an asterisk* because Parent tied 12 games so it surely would have been ATLEAST 5 or 6 more wins. He probably would have had 55 wins that season. Also, what player along with Ed Belfour holds the record for wins by a Leafs goalie with 37? Andrew Raycroft last year with a pretty weak season.
Just have to take it in stride and compare eras. Cy Young had 749 complete games in his career. How can we compare that to the 6 that Johan Santana has in his career, with set-up men and closers nowadays. Just appreciate it for what it is-best of the era.

Also, besides that, there are so many other differences in hockey eras. The power plays used to last for the duration of the penalty, whether they scored one or four goals. Goalies had to stand up etc..etc...

Answer 2

I hate the shootout. It isn't hockey. It's a skills contest. If they want to decide a game, fair enough, just stick to playing hockey to decide a winner or accept the ties but none of this wimpy shootout crap. The real fans hate it.
Stats have been revamped a number of times. Used to be a team could score more than once on a PP so the PP numbers before the mid 50s were outrageous. And George Hainsworth once had 22 shutouts in a 44 game season but that's not considered the modern record. Espostio's 15 is. Joe Malone scored 7 goals in a game more than once but the modern record is 6 (held by Sittler and Berenson). Things change but changing the basis of how the game is won by holding a skills contest is pure BS.

Answer 3

I like the shootout but I don't mind ties. That 3-3 Red Army-Habs game was one of the best ever.

Shootout goals do not count in "official" stats so that's no prob. OT has been around for years. NHL even had OT way back when too (from 83/4...and I think way back in the '20s or some such they had it).

Goalie wins is a stupid stat. You have to be on a good to great team. I mean Luongo was a great golaie in Florida but now he gets wins in Vancouver. Same goalie. Save pct. (or goalie perseverance stats...Klein and Reif...buy the Hockey Compendium).

It's easy to compare eras if you use context. Just take the goals per game so in Gretzky's '80s, a 50-goal scorer is like a 40-goal scorer now.

Answer 4

Fugu, the NHL had regular season overtime from it's 1927-28 season until 1942-43. Overtime was ceased due to the war effort the first time around

Puckdat, The NHL made some major rule changes in 1927-28 and 1928-29 that greatly affected the game

Joe Malone scored his 7 goals in an era when goalies were penalized for falling onto the ice
George Hainsworth got his 22 shutouts in an era where there was no forward passes allowed in the attacking zone. (The year after he had 22 shutouts, the rule was changed)
Teams also only dressed 12 skaters

Answer 5

I agree 100% with the goalie wins thing. Patrick Roy was known for his clutch play, who knows how many more wins he would've gotten in the shootout instead of the ties he got. That's why Brodeur breaking Parent's record isn't valid, without shootouts, Brodeur would've only had something like 42 or 43 wins. If Brodeur does pass Roy, there should definitely be an asterisk next to Brodeur's name.

Answer 6

I don't like ties, but I'm not a big fan of the shootout either - I'd rather see extra periods just like baseball has extra innings.
Let 'em play until there's a winner!

As for your question, I've already heard some separations between the "New NHL," the "Modern era," and "all time." Because you raise some valid points, I'm afraid there would have to be those distinctions.

Answer 7

I really hate the shootouts. It goes against everything a 'team' sport is because in the end it comes down to one guy.

I wouldnt go as far as saying 'real fans' dont like the shootout though. Its just those of us that think hockey is good how it was it nothing really ever should of been changed.

Answer 8

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