Was 9/11 seriously a conspiracy? Sensible answers only.....?

Question

I mean look this way. The towers collapsed in between 8.6 seconds and about 15 seconds. The south tower fell faster. But it is just to fast for huge buildings to fall. It is an average of 10 floors per second. Then building 7. No plane impact and fell at free fall speed, all 47 stories in 6.5 seconds. The pentagon, where is the damage to match a plane crash. How did a plane cause so much damage at the wtc, totally destroying the buildings and about 16 acres of buildings, wtc 1-7 all destroyed in the end due to this event, but at the Pentagon hardly any damage. Then in shanksville, Pennsylvania. How the hell does a plane leave so little wreckage. Please no abusive answers, just honest opinions on what really happened on sept 11th, 2001. Thanks

I have read many debunking 9/11 conspiracy sites and even bought the popular mechanic book and the 9/11 commission report. I noticed they do not cover many of the strong arguments in favour of a conspiracy and focus more on the weaker arguments...

Well I have been reading through all your answers and have enjoyed reading opinions, I still believe whilst the twin towers may not have fell at exact free fall speed, the did fall to fast...11 seconds is still incredibly fast for a building of that size to fall....and how come most of the concrete in the building was pulverised into dust...we see this in those huge dust clouds flowing through nyc streets on 9/11...Also news reporters on 9/11 talked about how little amount of wreckage there was at the Flight 93 site, and it was also said on 9/11 the pentagon did not look like it was hit by a plane....Dont forget the outer wall did not collapse for 30 mins....the original hole was much smaller...but even after collapse the hole was still to small to resemble a plane had made it....

Answer 1

Please read http://www.911myths.com This should answer all of your questions. All of the questions you ask have very specific answers. All of the conspiracy sites and videos use supposition and video edits to created sensationalism.

If you have your mind closed no new information will enter... Every question you brought up are addressed at http://www.911myths.com. I am sorry you have decided not to read it.

Answer 2

Funny how when someone disagree's with you on the offical story they resort to petty name calling etc. God forbid someone should be able to ask a question in a democracy. They must be supporting terrorists then.
Ive recently begun looking into this subject after being shown 'loose change'. Before that i was all for the offical story. Just sticking to the basics like has been mentioned before, never before or since has any steel framed building collapsed as a result of fire in over 100 years (3 fell on one day in sept).
The speed in which they fell defined the law of physics. Its a LAW therefore it cant be disproven.
No wreakege of the planes or the massive engines exist. Where are the black boxes etc?
What are the odds of 4 hijacked commercial planes being taken over simultainiously and hitting 75% of there targets without any response from the most powerful military in the world?? about 1 in 56 million.
Why was the rubble cleared away and shipped off before any serious investigation was carried out. Its a crime scene isnt it?
Ive never been one to go for these sorts of things but there are too many questions that have not been answered by the 9/11 commision or NIST report. As yet the WT7 is still being investigated. How can you do an investiagtion with no evidence and a new building already in its place?
There wouldn't be a conspiracy if the offical story added up to a logical conclusion.
Ill end by saying that the burdon of proof is on the pervayors of the offical story to prove it, not anybody else. Prove that the trusses failed and the heat foam (asbestos) was blown off and the core of 47 steal beems somehow failed aswell. Prove a 757 hit the penatgon and a plane crashed in Pennsylvania with hard, undeniable facts then all these questions might be answered. Until that time ill keep asking questions thanks.

Answer 3

I have been doing SAR (Search And Rescue) with Civil Air Patrol since 1967 and am always amazed at the small amount of debris at a crash site. Aircraft look to be huge solid objects, in reality they are not the damn things are almost completely hollow and when the impact with the ground gets done compressing the body of the plane it is amazing what a small space they will fit into. Larger more solid pieces like the engines either auger into the ground until they are almost or are completely buried.
The rest of a large plane will fit on a standard 16 foot tandem axle trailer. A Comanche 180 (six person) single engine aircraft that augured in at a 30 degree angle into the side of Capitan Mountain would fit in a fifty five gallon drum looking like so much trash.

Most aircraft are made form materials that burn easily. The aircraft carries avgas fuel from 50 gal to 50000 gallons! A gallon of avgas in compression has the equivalent explosive power of 27 pounds of dynamite! If that fuel is misted into a thermo baric explosive mix with air then the explosive power goes up to the approximate equivalent of 100 lbs of TNT. After that kind of explosion the parts of an airplane that will burn have done so. The parts that are not flammable are reduced to very small pieces. Fortunately for the no flying public small aircraft have sufficient anti-explosive tech built into the gas tanks to prevent real disasters from a small plane crash.

We are lucky that the avgas in the two aircraft that struck the towers did not have a chance to mist. the explosions would have been close to the force from Fat Boy over Japan. A thermo baric explosion is the way a poor man can give damage like a Nuke.

I am surprised that we did not lose a lot more of downtown NY. We got lucky the combined explosions could have been approximately 23 Kilotons non atomic explosion with a firestorm that would have consumed all of lower Manhattan!

Answer 4

No it was not. To answer points you raised:
1. Free fall. The buildings did not fall at free fall speeds.
According to NIST, which used seismic recorders & other techniques to measure the time, the exterior panels took 9-11 seconds. Free fall would have taken 8.5 seconds. The inner parts of WTC1&2 (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse. Thus, nothing unusual was detected. See Point 6 at http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

2. You ask how did the planes cause so much damage. Here are explanations from world-famous engineers, in print. Just click on the links:

-- The American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) http://www.asce.org/pressroom/news/display_press.cfm?uid=1057
It’s useful to see the investigation team & their credentials at: http://www.asce.org/responds/wtc_team.cfm

-- Scientific American. See
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000DA0E2-1E15-128A-9E1583414B7F0000

-- Massachusetts Institute of Technology. See http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/

--FEMA: http://www.fema.gov/rebuild/mat/mat_fema403.shtm

--NIST: http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

-- Popular Mechanics published a huge article attacking the conspiracy nuts using over 300 renowned experts in http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

-- World experts in demolition have attacked the 9-11 conspiracy theory

http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

--PBS/NOVA http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/

-- Purdue (http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html), and others

3. The reason the pentagon was damaged focally was because it was constructed to be blast-proof, with reinforced concrete. The towers were airy, flimsy if you will,. The pentagon of course is already on the ground and could not fall the same way. Also, the pentagon has a HUGE footprint, so only a piece of it was injured.

4,. The crash in Shanksville is completely typical of a plane hitting the earth at high speed. It was completely destroyed. However, I don’t know of anyone saying that there was little wreckage, & I don’t even know what that would mean.

I hope this helps
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In response to your additional questions, I offer:

1. You would expect that concrete would be pulverized when a 110-story building collapses. Therefore, unless there is an expert opinion published in the scientific literature that says otherwise, no further conclusions are indicated. As to the large dust cloud, this is what happens when any building collapses, no matter what the cause is. The dust is due to destruction of concrete and especially drywall. Drywall is composed of calcium sulfate, an extremely friable substance (brittle and crumbly). It creates tons of dust.

2. “The Pentagon Building Performance Report” says that the hole in the Pentagon was somewhat smaller than the diameter of the plane and this is explained by Professor Mere Sozen, a “Kettelhut Distinguished Professor Civil Engineering” at Perdue University (PM p 69). Sozen says that it’s the energy of the plane, not its size that determines the size of the hole. The plane is not a cartoon character that punches out its outline. Moving at 531 MPH it more fluid than solid and this explains why you get the hole you got.
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I hope this helps again.

Answer 5

Engineers (unassociated with any government entity, professors at Cambridge University) calculated that a chain reaction collapse of the building would be expected and would take about 9 seconds, very little more than a penny would take to fall from top to bottom.

Despite the lack of a plane crash, building 7 was hit by a large amount of falling debris and, in fact, there was a deep and long gash in the side of the building. Moreover, there was a substantial fire.

The Pentagon looks like it is less affected by the plane, but that is because of the scale of the building (the hole is really much bigger than it appears) and because it did not collapse. The building has a huge base and could not easily collapse, even if several planes hit it. The World Trade Center towers were not damaged very much until they collapsed.

Answer 6

With so many of our government's lies having been exposed by fact, it is understandable that we suspect everything that we are told. This one, however, is beyond belief. I will not accept that all the little people in government who would have learned of it through the water cooler system of communication have not felt obliged to report it. That's pretty much how the information reached the reporters who exposed the Watergate story. The little people always know what is going on.

There has always been and still exists the society of people who believes the earth is flat. I wonder, do they really believe that? .

After JFK's assassination and the Warren Report, many of us listen with tongue in cheek to everything that comes out of Washington. A man (Jim Garrison?) who wrote (badly) his own report of the whole scene of the Dallas assassination and of the deaths of so many people he named who were on the fringes of this action and whose testimony before the Warren commission was discounted or never mentioned may have been one who made a futile attempt to give us the truth, but his credibility was attacked and his work never credited. Had he been a news reporter, he may have made his point and brought about some great change in history. But would he.....
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So many events since then have reenforced our need to question, but even questioning and challenging has changed nothing and the beat goes on..

The witnesses who reported sighting the ground-to-plane missile that brought down Flight 93 off L.I. were more believable than the experts who debunked their reports.

If we had to believe that the destruction of the towers on 9/11 and the attempted destruction of the Pentagon and a DC building by the other two planes was a scheme of our own government then we would also have to accept that, from the top down, our whole Constitutional system has been manipulated to the point of destruction as well and our government is no better than any of Idi Amin, Hitler or any savage you might name from the Hashishin on down through history..

The abuse of power we've seen leads us to the possible belief in this ultimate betrayal. However, there is also a strong possibility that in relying on our loss of faith, the people whose purpose it is to see us destroyed would lead us by the technique of the big lie that contains a grain of truth to provide the disinformation that would prompt us to believe what is beyond belief. I choose to keep an open mind with that possibility in view because the alternative is more than I can handle.

Answer 7

If you really want to know how heat, about 2000 deg worth, effects structural steel, why don't you ask a Structural Engineer? You will also have to know the size and type steel that was used in the building and the load bearing of the walls and the floor. There are a lot of other things that one would have to know in order to give an intelligent answer. The Idea that explosives were placed in the world trade center buildings to bring them down is ridiculous. There would have to weaken the structure before the explosives went off and do months of work without anyone seeing them or all the work areas in the buildings. When a airplane hits something going 350 miles Per Hour, it almost completely vaporizes.

Answer 8

If the government has no longer something to conceal then they'd desire to come lower back forward with in spite of evidence continues to be left and permit an self sufficient scientific committee -no longer a gaggle of politicians- do the study. they'd desire to launch all movies from the pentagon and end employing the excuse of nationwide secutity to intrude on a real study. that could particularly close up those conspiracy theories, why do no longer they do this? extremely, in case you won't be able to settle for rules of physics then there is extremely no way of attending to a pair of those those that even have self assurance in a pancake thought. "You become conscious, in basic terms after the actuality, of the disgraceful place which you have been destined to play. you will come to attain which you're heritage's undesirable guy. you will serve the two as a logo of disgrace and a warning to destiny generations"

Answer 9

The whole matter let anyone who thinks logically suspect everything.The way the two buildings were destroyed was American. No Jew was killed in an area where lots of them line and work ! No obstruction was made to two attacking planes from the east!No one really tried before the public opinion! Only vedio tapes which can be fabricated!Then lots of aggression and invading two countries for nothing but video tapes!!

Answer 10

To many unanswered questions. All I know is that the intelligence was ignored. I believe Bush new something was brewing. That look that day was so telling! As far as explosives in the towers and building 7, its possible!

Answer 11

No. There is absolutely no proof that 9/11 was a conspiracy.